Wiggie Wrote:
What part of this Supreme Court decision do you not understand?
“The jurisdiction of the nation within its own territory is necessarily exclusive and absolute. It is susceptible of no limitation not imposed by itself.”
We impose lot’s of “limitations” as to who may, or may not, be deemed a citizen within “the jurisdiction of the nation” (where else?)
What’s your point?
That we can’t make laws that preclude dual allegiance?
As I pointed out all naturalized citizens swear an oath of allegiance to our country.
Why do we do that?
If we did not think dual allegiance was a potential DANGER it would not be unnecessary to extract such an oath in the first place.
What you are arguing is that it’s possible to pass a law that does not “recognize” the danger of dual allegiance and, therefore — willy nilly — the danger does not exist!
It’s like saying that we don’t recognize steeling because we have passed a law that does not recognize “steeling” as a crime!
Do you have ANY idea how stupid that is?
The very reason for the Natural born citizen clause — the “strong check” (as John Jay called it)was to preclude dual allegiance in the executive... a dual allegiance that could — POTENTIALLY — lead to usurpation of the presidency.
What Theodore Roosevelt wrote about an immigrant to our shores would apply with the same force (if not greater)to a Natural Born citizen!
No divided allegiance:
“In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American.
There can be no DIVIDED ALLEGIANCE here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but ONE SOLE LOYALTY and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
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By the way... did you get those “debating metals” for winning a sophist of the year contest?
Not to say that your dialectic acrobatics are not amusing.
STE=Q
Per my post # 1080
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2450158/posts?page=1080#1080
SHOULD READ:
Wiggie Wrote:
What part of this Supreme Court decision do you not understand?
“The jurisdiction of the NATION within its own territory is necessarily exclusive and absolute. It is susceptible of no limitation not imposed by itself.”
“It is susceptible of no limitation NOT IMPOSED BY ITSELF”
We — the NATION ITSELF(see above)— impose “limitations” as to who may, or may not, be deemed a citizen within “the jurisdiction of the nation” (where else?)
What’s your point?
That we can’t make laws that preclude dual allegiance?
As I pointed out all naturalized citizens swear an oath of allegiance to our country.
Why do we MAKE them do that as a prerequisite to citizenship?
Even the president takes an oath of allegiance.
http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/oath-of-allegiance.html
If we did not think dual allegiance was a potential DANGER it would not be NECESSARY to extract such oaths in the first place.
What you are arguing is that our constitution does not “recognize” dual allegiance and, therefore — willy nilly — the danger of dual allegiance (especially in the executive branch)does not exist!
NOT TRUE!
The aforementioned oaths of allegiance prove otherwise.
The very reason for the Natural born citizen clause — the “strong check” (as John Jay called it) — was to preclude dual allegiance in the executive... a dual allegiance that could POTENTIALLY lead to usurpation of the presidency.
What Theodore Roosevelt wrote about an immigrant to our shores would apply with the same force (if not greater)to a Natural Born citizen!
No divided allegiance:
“In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American.
There can be no DIVIDED ALLEGIANCE here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but ONE SOLE LOYALTY and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
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STE=Q