Being born in the United States does not even make one a 'NATIVE' citizen.

nobarack08 | Feb 12, 2010 | syc1959

[Danae]

A citizen is a person who was either born in the US on our soil, or someone with at least one parent who is a citizen.

A citizen can have more than one citizenship. For instance, having an American Mother and a Jamaican Father. That person has American and Jamaican citizenship, and can choose between either one, otherwise known as divided loyalties. Look up Jamaican Skier Kerr who is in this year’s Olympics. He fits this example perfectly as does Obama.

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A Natural Born Citizen is someone who was born in the United States to two parents who are citizens.

A Natural Born Citizen has no other potential citizenship(s). He is 100% American, by both the factor of inheriting his parents citizenship, and being born on the soil of our nation. He or she is of undivided loyalty in the sense that the Founding Fathers intended.

[BP2]

> All that time, I had no clue that I was an Italian citizen too.

YOU may not. That's not the case for Barry Soetoro.

For Obama as the acting American POTUS — who is also a CURRENT British Subject, former Indonesian citizen and former Kenyan citizen — it typifies the foreign influence that Washington, Jay and others Framers knew was dangerous for the Republic.

DANGEROUS because they designed the Executive Branch with ONE Executor, which differs from the internal and numerical Checks and Balances that the other Branches possess with 9 Justices and 435 Members of Congress (as they stands today).

That's PRECISELY why the Framers wanted the "Natural Born Citizen" qualification for the POTUS — no internal Checks and Balances against foreign influence that the other two branches contained.

[EnderWiggins]

"This graphic should help."

It only helps if you want to believe bullsh!t.

[EnderWiggins]

"A citizen is a person who was either born in the US on our soil, or someone with at least one parent who is a citizen."

So.. how did you manage to forget about naturalized citizens?

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you.

[Red Steel]

Nothing smells more than the “bullsh!t” that you spew.

[EnderWiggins]

Fascinating speculation, BP. Sadly, there’s not a shard a law in it anywhere.

[Las Vegas Ron]

But if you thought that was an valid analogy? Not so much.

No sh!t, you get my point, now answer the question.

[EnderWiggins]

Steel, have you finally come up with that single example of a single framer who ever mentioned de Vattel and citizenship in the same breath? No?

I didn’t think so.

I’ll check again next week.

[EnderWiggins]

"No sh!t, you get my point, now answer the question."

No... I don't get your point.

And you didn't ask a question.

[Las Vegas Ron]

A Natural Born Citizen is someone who was born in the United States to two parents who are citizens.

Amen, I'm trying two get wiggie to difine the difference, he's yet to do that, at least that I've read.

All he has done is try and skirt the issue, unless I missed it.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Didn't ask a question eh? Here you are again

For the purposes of defining what the difference the Founding Fathers had in mind for POTUS, why did they use two wholly different terms, both with different meanings and what are they?

[EnderWiggins]

Sorry... you did ask a question after all. Sadly, it was carefully concealed by the camouflage of no question mark. I apologize for missing it.

The used a different word (but not, as we showed a completely different word) to exclude naturalized citizens.

Remember those?

[EnderWiggins]

"All he has done is try and skirt the issue, unless I missed it. "

You missed it.

[BP2]

> Sadly, there’s not a shard a law in it anywhere.

LOL.

No, it’s historical fact as opposed to your hysterical fiction.

[Red Steel]

The evidence if not proof that has been provide to you on this thread and others that Vattel’s citizen definition is the true meaning and intent written in the US Constitution. You on the other hand, have provide frivolous arguments that are worthless in proving your point of view.

[syc1959]

gigglyPuff [wiggieFool]
can’t answer - it’s above his paygrade. They never covered that in kindergarten, and he missed that in first grade due to ‘bring your illegal undcoumented foreigner’ to school day.

[EnderWiggins]

You have a very weird definition of “fact.” Perhaps you should look it up.

[EnderWiggins]

"The evidence if not proof that has been provide to you on this thread and others that Vattel’s citizen definition is the true meaning and intent written in the US Constitution. You on the other hand, have provide frivolous arguments that are worthless in proving your point of view."

There was no such thing as "the de Vattel definition" until ten years too late.

[Las Vegas Ron]

The used a different word (but not, as we showed a completely different word) to exclude naturalized citizens.

They also exluded citizens, as well as natualized citizens.

Why, what is the difference for the third time??

Federal...federalized, two different words and two different meanings, NBC vs Citizen, what is the difference?

[Las Vegas Ron]

‘bring your illegal undcoumented foreigner’ to school day.

LOL, it was probably Obama!