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Being born in the United States does not even make one a 'NATIVE' citizen.
nobarack08 | Feb 12, 2010 | syc1959

Posted on 02/12/2010 12:35:44 PM PST by syc1959

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To: whatisthetruth
"Gets what?"

That Birthers are helping Obama and the Democrats, and nobody else.
401 posted on 02/13/2010 4:41:07 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

wiggiefool

There is NO proof that Barack Hussein Obama was actually born anywhere in the United States to be even under partial jurisdiction.

Both of his books by Obama’s own words can NOT be taken literally. Just like his goat herder father, his birth is myth.


402 posted on 02/13/2010 4:47:29 PM PST by syc1959
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To: EnderWiggins
WRONG!

The Supreme Court does not write Laws. It was a trick question, and you gave the standard liberal answer.

403 posted on 02/13/2010 4:52:07 PM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: usmcobra
"The Supreme Court does not write Laws. It was a trick question, and you gave the standard liberal answer."

It was not a "trick question." It was a dumb question.

First you need to figure out what "common law" means. It is important because the United States uses a common law system.

Then, look up "stare decisis."

Once you've got those under your belt, think again about the question you asked. You will discover that the trick is on you.
404 posted on 02/13/2010 4:57:40 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

Per Alexander Hamilton;

In Federalist No. 62, Alexander Hamilton or James Madison explained that senators “ought” to be free “from the prepossessions and habits incident to foreign birth and education”, due to their “transactions with foreign nations”, so the nine-year citizenship requirement is a “prudent mediocrity” between totally excluding naturalized citizens and admitting them too quickly, “which might create a channel for foreign influence on the national councils”:

In Federalist 78

But it is easy to see, that it would require an uncommon portion of fortitude in the judges to do their duty as faithful guardians of the Constitution, where legislative invasions of it had been instigated by the major voice of the community.

Judges are the guardians of the Constitution. They do not create law!


405 posted on 02/13/2010 4:58:15 PM PST by syc1959
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To: syc1959
"There is NO proof that Barack Hussein Obama was actually born anywhere in the United States to be even under partial jurisdiction."

Except of course for his birth certificate.
406 posted on 02/13/2010 5:00:23 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: DoctorBulldog
Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

If only he were declared president by default of Obama's ineligibility.

Then we could impeach him.

407 posted on 02/13/2010 5:00:45 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Deathcare...a solution desperately looking for a problem.)
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To: EnderWiggins

As I refered to SR 511. SR511 is a non-binding, non-lawful understanding, that can not be held as a LAW. Being such, a non-binding resolution is a written motion adopted by a deliberative body that cannot progress into a law. The substance of the resolution can be anything that can normally be proposed as a motion.This type of resolution is often used to express the body’s approval or disapproval of something which they cannot otherwise vote on, due to the matter being handled by another jurisdiction, or being protected by a constitution.

Again, I will note: being protected by a constitution.

“Simple resolutions do not require the approval of the other house nor the signature of the President, and they do not have the force of law.”

The reason I make this point is that for the chance that John Mccain would have actually won the 2008 Presidential election. The issue of his eligibility not only would have been brought up, but would have stated congressional hearings, the likes of Watergate all over again. The Congress would have in no time instituted articles of impeachment and the motion would have been approved. Then the Senate would have their chance to remove John McCain, however since they already have voted with their ‘Gentlemen’s Agreement’, regardless how the vote went. A non-binding, non-lawful resolution that trumps the United States Constitution could be waved in front of the American public, and John McCain, could go back in the corner, stick his thumb in his pie, and exclaim “Oh, what a good boy am I.”

Senate Resolution 511, was an attempt to circumvent the United States Constitution, and amend the ‘Natural Born Citizen’ Clause of which there has NEVER been an amendment or change too.

More then just a non-binding resolution, SR511 defined John McCain’s eligibility based on being born of US Parents [NOTE the plural] but outside the country. Therefore the only alternative based on THEIR wording is ‘born in country’. They did not change the requirement of two (2) US parents.

Where is there a definition as to a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ based on parents [again plural] and born in country? Vattel’s Law of Nations.

Why if John McCain was held to these requirements, was Barack Obama not held of being born of US Parents [plural] and in the United States.

Barack Obama has admitted that not only was his father a foreign national, but that he himself was a British Subject at birth. A British Subject is a foreign national and how can a foreign national be a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ as required by the United States Constitution?

This Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004 refers to the following; S.2128 Natural Born Citizen Act. That act never passed and hence as of this Judiciary Hearing in Oct 2004, the meaning and Constitution had never been amended.

So let’s look at the Natural Born Citizen Act

S. 2128: Natural Born Citizen Act

A bill to define the term “natural born Citizen” as used in the Constitution of the United States to establish eligibility for the Office of President.

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Track S. 2128 [108th]

Because this bill was introduced in a previous session of Congress, no more action can occur on it.

Primary Source

See S. 2128 [108th] on THOMAS for the official source of information on this bill or resolution.

Overview

Sponsor: Sen. Don Nickles [R-OK]show cosponsors (2)

Cosponsors [as of 2008-11-10]

Sen. James Inhofe [R-OK]

Sen. Mary Landrieu [D-LA]

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Text: Summary | Full Text

Status: Introduced Feb 25, 2004

Referred to Committee View Committee Assignments

Reported by Committee (did not occur)

Voted on in Senate (did not occur)

Voted on in House (did not occur)

Signed by President (did not occur)

This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven’t passed are cleared from the books. Members often reintroduce bills that did not come up for debate under a new number in the next session.

Last Action: Oct 5, 2004: Committee on the Judiciary. Hearings held.

Related: See the Related Legislation page for other bills related to this one and a list of subject terms that have been applied to this bill. Sometimes the text of one bill or resolution is incorporated into another, and in those cases the original bill or resolution, as it would appear here, would seem to be abandoned.

Now lets fast forward to Feb 2006 and look at the following.

SARAH P. HERLIHY 2/22/2006 AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE

The natural born citizen requirement in Article II of the United States Constitution has been called the “stupidest provision” in the Constitution,1 “undecidedly un-American,” “blatantly discriminatory,” and the “Constitution’s worst provision.” Since Arnold Schwarzenegger’s victory in the California gubernatorial recall election of 2003, commentators and policy-makers have once again started to discuss whether Article II of the United States Constitution should be amended to render naturalized citizens eligi-ble for the presidency.5 Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution defines the eligibility requirements for an individual to become president. Article II provides:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Of-fice who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.6

Although these sixty-two words are far from extraordinary, the natural born citizen provision is controversial because it prevents over 12.8 million Americans from being eligible for the presidency.

Again, no amendment has ever been passed to alter the Founding Fathers and Framers definition of a “Natural Born Citizen”. However Obama and his supporters have continued to attempt to not only disregard the United States Constitution, but to alter it’s meaning.


408 posted on 02/13/2010 5:01:41 PM PST by syc1959
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To: syc1959
You again quote the Federalist Papers, but inexplicably since the quotation says exactly nothing about two citizen parents. We already knew the difference between naturalized and natural born citizens, so not only does it not help you, it actually supports the anti-Birther position that these are the only two types of citizenship there are.

As you your comment, "Judges are the guardians of the Constitution. They do not create law!" I agree completely. And Wong Kim Ark did not create law. It explained what the existing law as per the US Constitution always has been.
409 posted on 02/13/2010 5:04:28 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

What Birth Certificate?

What he has produced is a forged ‘Certification of Live Birth’.

The two are not the same. Nor is a forged document legal.


410 posted on 02/13/2010 5:04:52 PM PST by syc1959
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To: syc1959
"As I refered to SR 511."

I do not give a fig about SR 511.
411 posted on 02/13/2010 5:06:05 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

And, if he DID produce a vaild Birth Certificate, why is fighting any lawsuit. Or why are all his records sealed?

Bet he’s going to have one short library in prison.


412 posted on 02/13/2010 5:06:32 PM PST by syc1959
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To: EnderWiggins

Once again, proving that Obot’s selectively pick and choose.

When presented with evidence, Obama supporters resort to Prozac and Ritalin.


413 posted on 02/13/2010 5:07:49 PM PST by syc1959
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To: syc1959
"What he has produced is a forged ‘Certification of Live Birth’."

If there was the tiniest bit of evidence that the COLB (which is by law and definition a birth certificate) was forged, then one of your brilliant Birther lawyers would have filed a criminal complaint against the Hawaii DOH for fraud.

Waiting......


Waiting.................
414 posted on 02/13/2010 5:08:11 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

Proving once again, the Obot’s pick and choose what they precieve to be facts.

In the face of hard evidence and facts, Obama supporters resort to Prozac and Ritalin.


415 posted on 02/13/2010 5:09:18 PM PST by syc1959
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To: EnderWiggins
What I know is that 250 years of professional translators to this very day have never once agreed with you.

That's such BS.

416 posted on 02/13/2010 5:09:28 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: DoctorBulldog; Red Steel
My but you are laughably obtuse and full of sophistry of the lowest order

The "Wig" will probably take the above as a compliment!

Warning: following the Wiggler's "logic" is like watching the "energizer bunny" move in circles...

He just keeps going and going and...

STE=Q STE=Q

417 posted on 02/13/2010 5:09:58 PM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: EnderWiggins

First off, The DOH has never stated they issued the COLB to begin with, have they.

Look at my blog for emails from teh State of Hawaii that prove the COLB by Barack Hussein Obama, offspring of a foreign goat herder is a fake.


418 posted on 02/13/2010 5:10:49 PM PST by syc1959
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To: syc1959
Wild.

This is one of the more amazing facets of the human psyche.

A person can refuse to accept any evidence that supports a conclusion which they do not want to believe. And from this they then will solemnly declare that because they reject all contrary evidence, there is no evidence.

Wow.

I have to admit, I never have understood the development of confirmation bias in the human mind.

419 posted on 02/13/2010 5:12:40 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: STE=Q

wigge’s logic is like trying to herd cats.
They can’t stay focused long enoght to make a valid argument.


420 posted on 02/13/2010 5:13:07 PM PST by syc1959
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