Posted on 02/08/2010 5:20:39 PM PST by Starman417
GOP says they will agree to meet with Obama over the Health Care bill if he agrees to start over from scratch......good for them.
No more of the typical Dem way. Meaning the backroom deals, the buying off of politicians, no more Obama telling the country what we need. Instead, you listen to us and WE tell you what we need.
In the end, this ain't gonna happen. If Obama gives in to the Republicans & the American people then he will lose his base even more. This bill is only about votes. It's no longer about fixing real problems with health care in this country. So he will meet and try to dictate terms. Does the GOP have the spine to say no?
According to this letter it does:
Assuming the President is sincere about moving forward on health care in a bipartisan way, does that mean he will agree to start over so that we can develop a bill that is truly worthy of the support and confidence of the American people? Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said today that the President is “absolutely not” resetting the legislative process for health care. If the starting point for this meeting is the job-killing bills the American people have already soundly rejected, Republicans would rightly be reluctant to participate.Assuming the President is sincere about moving forward in a bipartisan way, does that mean he has taken off the table the idea of relying solely on Democratic votes and jamming through health care reform by way of reconciliation? As the President has noted recently, Democrats continue to hold large majorities in the House and Senate, which means they can attempt to pass a health care bill at any time through the reconciliation process. Eliminating the possibility of reconciliation would represent an important show of good faith to Republicans and the American people
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Good. Glad to see the GOP get a spine.
The GOP should show the people the plan they already gave to the President and the Democrats. That way he couldn’t say Republicans wouldn’t participate.
Well, that is a nonstarter. Obama has yet to propose a SINGLE THING. Just like the Chicago Senate and the US Senate. AWOL
The GOP needs to stick to this demand. BO set a trap for the Republicans. Unfortunately for him, he fell into it.
The OPer’s (formerly the GOP) suddenly feel embolden due to the the Tea Party movement’s success.
it’s not a trap if they respond like this and, as you say, stick to it...
the fact they bring out the rats have significant majorities in both houses and can pass anything they’d like is a nice kick in the gonads to the rats...
You got that right!
Good, every day they all stand up there talking about talking is one more day we get closer to the Nov. election.
This health care business has to die the death global warming did.
They also need to negotiate presentation. If it’s Obama at a podium and some R’s around a table, BO controls the agenda and the cameras will tell that story. BO doesn’t get opening remarks with a teleprompter. It will be hard for R’s to come out looking decent if they let him work from a prepared script they have to respond to on the fly.
The R’s need a leader who will be their focus and he must be able to do two things:
(1) Highlight the worst five things about the health care bill and be able to read from it. No matter how true the R’s statements are, BO will just say ‘oh no, it won’t work that way.’ Stick to those five points. And he has to practice calling BO a liar nicely. BO will lie and it’s important to call him on misstatements about the health care bill;
(2) Articulate five points from an R health bill that focus group well and then stick to them.
Then stick to those points. Don’t get in a pissing match about who is most bipartisan. Also, don’t let BO stay above the fray by designating a rat underling or congress critter to do most of the talking and then have BO swoop in as the great compromiser. If BO wants to negotiate, let him do it without a teleprompter.
If the R’s go in thinking this is about negotiating a compromise, they will get slaughtered. It is about passing the health care bill with a few cosmetic changes that make no difference at all. Even more fundamentally, it is a public debate about (1) health care and (2) about who is cooperating with whom.
This is a mistake.
It’s still Barky’s agenda.
Republicans beware.
Translation= FUBO
LOL. I hate to say it but all that means is they want some of that payoff action
Pachyderm cojones!
Translation= FUBO
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Yep. To hell with the evil bast-—.
Seriously, someone like Ronald Reagan, who can present as pleasant but firm, knowledgeable but quick, and one who can briefly tie the "issue" to a constitutional principle. The format can't put the President in a position to cut off the presenter just when he reaches his main point, as he did last time.
If the R's are not "wise as serpents," then they better stay out of the pit.
Neither obama nor the Congressional Democrats will start over. They just want to push their evil death plan disguised as “health care reform”.
The obamaites don’t care about health care at all—only demographic engineering to force the early exit from this Earth of tens of millions of American seniors, and to replace them with hordes of Third World immigrants. That must not stand!!!!
The Republicans must insist on either starting over or nothing at all. Then we all must work to kick out as many Dims officeholders as possible this year, and to gain hard evidence (admissible in court) on the true nature of obama’s death plan and who is responsible for it.
‘Good. Glad to see the GOP get a spine.’
Let me see if I can spell ‘spine’...
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Only if the GOP buys into "health care reform" as meaning extending coverage without measures to control costs.
The vast bulk of support in the general public for health care reform is for measures to control costs without rationing care--meaning, necessarily market-based reforms--and for blunting pre-existing condition exclusions.
If the GOP sticks to its principles (and maintains party discipline over the RINOs who don't really have any), and insists on market-based cost control (things like tort reform, interstate insurance purchasing, letting mutual insurance companies into the health insurance business, getting rid of mandated coverages, letting people band together to buy insurance a group rates for themselves or their employees) have to be the basis for extending coverage, then either we get an actually useful health-care bill, or we show in sharp relief the degree to which the demonRATs, and the Obamaites in particular, only care about increasing the reach of government.
As to the pre-existing condition exclusions, I'd propose that they be banned, but that insurers be able to charge sufficiently high premiums of people who were uninsured during any portion the previous three years before signing up for coverage to recoup (at present value) the premiums that would have been paid at normal rates for any periods when they were uninsured by the end of a 3-year contract. (e.g. if the person just flat didn't have insurance, the premiums, up to a present value calculation, would be about double for the first three year, while if in the past 3 years, the person had a gap of two months, the premiousm would be higher by enough to recoup (at present value) an extra two months' premiums).
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