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Was John McCain Brainwashed While Imprisoned In North Vietnam? (he called U.S. vets "criminals")
examiner.com ^ | 2010-01-31 | Dave Gibson

Posted on 01/31/2010 9:11:21 PM PST by rabscuttle385

It is nothing short of incredible that a combat veteran who has claimed to be a conservative Senator has led the fight to reward with amnesty, the millions of Mexican and Central American nationals who have entered this nation illegally. While the betrayal of the American people on behalf of foreign invaders by Sen. John McCain may be puzzling to most, the former POW actually has somewhat of a history of betraying his fellow citizens in favor of a foreign enemy.

The question of McCain's true motives should be examined.

On October 26, 1967, U.S. Navy Lt. John McCain was shot down over North Vietnam by a Soviet-made surface-to-air missile. As a result of ejecting from his plane, McCain suffered two broken arms and a broken leg. He was immediately captured by an angry mob and turned over to NVA soldiers, who broke his shoulder with a rifle butt and stabbed his foot with a bayonet. He was then taken to the infamous 'Hanoi Hilton.'

Once in a cell, he was beaten and interrogated daily. Still being refused medical treatment and in severe pain, McCain agreed to talk in exchange for medical treatment. He was then taken to a nearby hospital. McCain described the events in his 1999 book Faith of My Fathers, in which he said: "Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate any medical treatment if I did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."

The North Vietnamese Army discovered that Lt. McCain was the son of Adm. John McCain Jr., commander of the Pacific Fleet, and his grandfather was Adm. John McCain Sr. who commanded aircraft carriers under Adm. Bill Halsey in the Pacific during World War II. Because of his family's powerful military heritage, the NVA believed that Lt. McCain would one day hold a prominent position in the U.S. government. He then became the target of incredible torture and attempts at re-education, some sessions were reportedly conducted by Soviet officers.

McCain has said that he was regularly visited by senior communist Vietnamese officials. One visitor was famous NVA Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap.

Eventually, McCain signed a letter claiming to be a war criminal and apologizing for the U.S. involvement in Vietnam. He also did many radio and television interviews, some with foreign correspondents which is a severe violation of the military code of conduct.

Despite John McCain's years of painful torture at the hands of the NVA, he has been Hanoi's strongest advocate in the U.S. Senate. For years, he pushed for the normalization of relations with communist Vietnam, even though that country has never fully cooperated on the issue of American POW's.

In 1992, John McCain was serving on the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. Vietnamese officials began to complain that American POW/MIA activists (mostly family members of the missing men) were causing too many problems and posed a threat to lifting the U.S. trade embargo on Vietnam. Incredibly, Senator and former POW McCain then went on a campaign against the POW/MIA activists and accused them of fraud. McCain once said of the families: "The people who have done these things are not zealots in a good cause. They are criminals and some of the most craven, most cynical, and most despicable human beings to ever run a scam."

Sen. McCain demanded and received a U.S. Justice Department investigation of the two major POW/MIA activist groups. Of course, no fraud, as McCain alleged, was ever found. The families were left angry and mystified as to why McCain had betrayed them. McCain succeeded and the trade embargo against communist Vietnam was lifted, and there has never been a full accounting of North Vietnamese atrocities against American POWs.

In 1992, NVA Col. Bui Tin, who interrogated McCain in the Hanoi Hilton, testified before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. He told the Senators (including McCain) that Soviet officers regularly interrogated and tortured American POW's. During a break in the proceedings, Sen. McCain and Col. Tin enjoyed a hug and exchanged the kind of longing looks that a man would usually share with his long-lost father, or perhaps in McCain's case...His comrade?

Just as John McCain has collaborated with the Vietnamese enemy, he has collaborated with the leaders of the Mexican Reconquista movement for some time. Among other outrages, he has spoken at the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza for the last several years.

As one of the keynote speakers at the 2004 conference, he told the zealous crowd: "It is in our national interest to bring the 8 to 12 million undocumented immigrants out of the shadows and allow them an opportunity to become citizens of this great nation."

After the massive illegal alien protests in 2006, McCain made the following statement: "If such demonstrations continue, I think we will have a bill for the President to sign soon. The more debate, the more demonstrations, the more likely we will prevail."

Under Sen. McCain's immigration bill, even members of Mexican drug gangs would have received amnesty by simply signing a statement in which they renounce their gang affiliation. The so-called 'background checks' that illegal aliens would have been given were only of the 24-hour variety, which reveal very little, if anything and would then be given a six-month worker card. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents would have traveled around the country handing-out amnesty applications to suspected illegal aliens, and all immigration enforcement would have ended.

McCain's plan would spell the end of United States sovereignty. So why would the son and grandson of fiercely proud American warriors, and he himself a combat veteran who suffered tremendous torture at the hands of the criminal North Vietnamese so readily come to the aid of that enemy and attack the families of the men with whom he served? Why would this same man so incredibly betray his own country by granting amnesty to those who sneak into this country´s back door, when so many are waiting to enter America through the front door?

The answers to the aforementioned questions lie deep with Sen. McCain's psyche, which should now be subject to examination. I am not suggesting that McCain set out to betray his country when he began his career at the U.S. Naval Academy in 1954, nor as he flew 23 missions over North Vietnam. However, it would appear that under extreme torture and indoctrination at the hands of his communist captors, he may have been turned...Turned against his own country and sent back to dismantle that country. It is a possibility that needs to be investigated.

When someone with the background of Sen. John McCain is ready to sell-out his fellow POW's and turn the United States into a Third World nation...No other explanation could truly suffice.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: brainwashing; communists; juanmccain; manchurianmccain; mccain; mccain4communism; mccain4fascism; mccain4socialism; mccainantiamerica; mccaintruthfile; mcdemocrat; mclame; mcrino; mctraitor; rino; rinos4obama; traitor; traitormccain; vietnam
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To: Shery
To 76 - If Palin had on two different types of shoes and someone pointed it out that person would be branded, by fringe Palin supporters, as a Paulista, Romneyite, troll, or Soros stooge.

In the real, and sane, world we know McCain was a POW and we know he was brutally tortured. His alleged maleficence towards MIA families appears warranted by some, not so by others.

Though no one can argue that McCain has opposed tax cuts, co-sponsored legislation subsequently declared unconstitutional by the SCOTUS, and he advocates ignoring current immigration laws.
Are these "commonsense conservative" actions and principles?

Caveat emptor.

81 posted on 02/01/2010 12:57:08 AM PST by jla
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To: exit82

JD Hayworth and nobody reputable is going to use any of the charges leveled in this column by this two bit columnist agsinst McCain. I have neither the time, the desire, nor the interest to refute the claims. It’s been done by McCain himself and several others many times over.


82 posted on 02/01/2010 12:58:55 AM PST by onyx (BE A MONTHLY DONOR - I AM)
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To: philetus

I haven’t seen that for YEARS!
I’ve read his book, but this article is from 1973!
WOW.


83 posted on 02/01/2010 1:00:58 AM PST by onyx (BE A MONTHLY DONOR - I AM)
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To: SoCalPol; TigersEye; Bokababe; dcwusmc
The source of this thread is a PaulBot and 9/11 Truther.

Really, SoCalPol? Where have I ever said that the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by the U.S. government (i.e., the "Truther" conspiracy)?

84 posted on 02/01/2010 1:08:28 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: SoCalPol
No problem with Ron Paul and his Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan views or his 6 min. Youtube of bashing Israel.

Baloney! Free Republic has tons of threads on them with thousands of posts bashing them.

You use the tactics and have the view of a 12 year old.

85 posted on 02/01/2010 1:09:57 AM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid!)
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To: SoCalPol
The constant Mac bashing is also used to bash Sarah Palin by association.

No one on this thread has done that. We just have you suggesting it. McCain is running for office. Sarah Palin is not. Posting articles about candidates for office is relevant.

86 posted on 02/01/2010 1:15:32 AM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid!)
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To: pissant
Lurch Kerry

He won THREE Purple Hearts! Did you know that? What a HERO!

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

87 posted on 02/01/2010 1:24:34 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: oldenuff2no
When you have walked in his shoes you will have earned the right to judge him.

What Bullcrap. REALLY. He may have been a hero then. He certainly is not a hero now.

One of my friends is a decorated Nam vet who blew a cork and raped a little girl. Am I to give him a free ride, on the basis of his service?

Not only "no", but HELL no. He betrayed the trust of his admirers by that act. A hero is a hero as long as he acts as a hero would. NO free ride for such a Traitorous Bastard.

88 posted on 02/01/2010 1:31:44 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: onyx; rabscuttle385

>>>McCain, like all POW’s underwent extensive debriefment and he was deemed sane, unlike his detractors who regularly launch vicious attacks on his POW days,

I wonder how many of the wingnuts who spend their whole day focused on hating the McCain family could pass similar tests.

This crap degrades FR and all its users.


89 posted on 02/01/2010 1:36:34 AM PST by tlb
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To: SoCalPol
In their sick minds, McCain is the enemy.

Who is more culpable... The thief, or the moron that left the door open for him? When American cities start getting nuked, or dirty-bombed, or biologically assaulted, there is no doubt in my mind where those goodies will come from.

ANYONE who prefers to leave than damnable border open is every bit as much an enemy as those who use it to our destruction.

90 posted on 02/01/2010 1:36:36 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: roamer_1
So are you trying to say that McCain has blown a cork and committed a great crime?? Unless you are the analogy can not apply.
You are walking on some thin ice with this kind of generalized claim. I served as a AB Ranger from 70-93,and I did my time in Nam and was retired for medical reasons after Mogadishu Somali. I have some very personal attachments for some of the POW’s that came home. One was a distant relative and through him I met several others. I worked with another after I retired. I know what they thought of John McCain and that is enough for me. To compare the conduct of a rapist to anyone because of inferred or unproven words is pure stupidity. I'm sure you buddy was tried and convicted because there was evidence. John McCain was not tried or convicted of anything. You analogy is nothing more than an attempted rationalization using BS to get there. By the way. I've never popped my cork, not even close. You inferred by your statement that somehow your buddy being in Nam had something to do with his loss of control. Now you are sounding like Kerry. He lied about a lot of us Nam vets too.
91 posted on 02/01/2010 2:15:43 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: rabscuttle385

He wants to be liked. He was in a place where he was shown hatred and he does things to make people like him. This is why he is all over the map in issues. It is that simple. He can not do his duty to America any more.


92 posted on 02/01/2010 2:19:48 AM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: oldenuff2no
So are you trying to say that McCain has blown a cork and committed a great crime?? Unless you are the analogy can not apply.

I don't know if he blew a cork or not. I know that his behavior since 2000 has been traitorous to this nation, and he has committed acts as a senator which violate the Constitution in the most egregious of ways...

If you'd like, I can prepare a list when I can dig out my file on him... And the analogy is quite on topic - What I said is that a hero is only a hero as long as he acts like one... I gave my friend as an obvious example. He has medals in the drawer. They don't mean *squat* anymore.

To compare the conduct of a rapist to anyone because of inferred or unproven words is pure stupidity. I'm sure you buddy was tried and convicted because there was evidence. John McCain was not tried or convicted of anything.

John McCain is convicted by the words out of his own mouth, and by his own actions.

You analogy is nothing more than an attempted rationalization using BS to get there.

No, That is your projection. Honor is a precious thing, and no one gets the benefit of the doubt.

You inferred by your statement that somehow your buddy being in Nam had something to do with his loss of control. Now you are sounding like Kerry. He lied about a lot of us Nam vets too.

Yeah, I did infer that. And if you knew him, and the whole story, you would know it as I do. He definitely popped a cork - and has done so in different ways prior to this incident. He came back broken, and was never quite right since, as any one who knows him will tell you...

And I know quite a few Nam vets. Learned how to hunt and track from two LRRP guys. Many of the hillbillies around here are Nam Vets too - And they all saw bad times over there. They don't take well to town, and prefer the mountains, and people they can trust.

I have the greatest respect for all of them. They are honorable men. In fact, more honorable than most. They carry their oath to the Constitution with them to this day.

McCain is not one of that sort.

93 posted on 02/01/2010 2:57:23 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: ChrisInAR

“As far as I’m concerned, “it is nothing short of incredible that a” so-called “conservative” political populace would elect & re-elect this guy to the Senate several times, & then to top it off, nominate him to be their Presidential candidate & vote for him AGAIN! “

The RINO higher ups in the RNC have backed him for years with money, and workers., and are backing him AGAIN against Hayworth.


94 posted on 02/01/2010 4:23:14 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: ChrisInAR

“As far as I’m concerned, “it is nothing short of incredible that a” so-called “conservative” political populace would elect & re-elect this guy to the Senate several times, & then to top it off, nominate him to be their Presidential candidate & vote for him AGAIN! “

The RINO higher ups in the RNC have backed him for years with money, and workers., and are backing him AGAIN against Hayworth.


95 posted on 02/01/2010 4:24:11 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: wardaddy

LOL!


96 posted on 02/01/2010 6:10:42 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Bokababe

Ping


97 posted on 02/01/2010 6:11:21 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: onyx

Your proof for that claim would be...???? I REALLY want to see what you have to offer. Because it was MY brothers that were written off, first by Kissinger [spit] then by Kerry/McLame [double spit].


98 posted on 02/01/2010 6:17:38 AM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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To: rabscuttle385; Oynx; TigersEye; exit82; Bokababe; DoughtyOne

Check this out. Know your enemy

http://progressiverepublican.ning.com/


99 posted on 02/01/2010 6:22:09 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

And you KNOW this is pure lies because...??? Are you a Vietnam veteran? If not - and I see nothing to indicate that you are - then you have no input into the matter. I am and do... and it is my considered opinion that Juan McLame is a worthless piece of filth who betrayed his fellow POWs when he and Kerry shut down the hearings into potential live sightings back in ‘91. Just as Kissinger wrote off over 2000 men so that HE could get his Nobel Peace prize. They are BOTH worthless pieces of filth, as are, IMO, their defenders.


100 posted on 02/01/2010 6:34:23 AM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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