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Free Trade Doesn't Work: Why America Needs a Tariff
Free Trade Doesnt Work ^ | January 30, 2010 | Ian Fletcher

Posted on 01/31/2010 6:42:57 PM PST by ianfletcher

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To: Cheap_Hessian
So you are also advocating the elimination of unions, right?

One of the positive reviewers of the book is Dan DiMicco, CEO of Nucor steel. Nucor is nonuion and very successful.

41 posted on 01/31/2010 7:33:48 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: cripplecreek

Yes military equipment, and everything else for that matter, is complex. Do you know where every screw, circuit and wire in your computer comes from? Of course not.

By the same token it’s an issue that can be handled. Iraq had a huge lead up, we could have bought extras or in sourced. The problems we ran into were a matter of not thinking through the logistics, that kind of failure doesn’t really get any better without free trade.


42 posted on 01/31/2010 7:35:09 PM PST by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: ianfletcher

Thanks for posting this. If this name:

“Jim Hightower, Bestselling author, national radio and newspaper commentator, and editor of The Hightower Lowdown.”

does not bring all Freepers to see the light on the great benefits of free trade, I am not sure what will.

As to these names:

“Bill Bullard, CEO, R-CALF USA (Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund, United Stockgrowers of America)

Brian O’Shaughnessy, Chairman, Revere Copper Products; Co-Chair, Coalition for a Prosperous America

John J. Sweeney, President, AFL-CIO and author of and author of America Needs a Raise: Fighting for Economic Security and Social Justice.

Gavin Fridell, author of Fair Trade Coffee: the Prospects and Pitfalls of Market-Driven Social Justice, Assistant Professor of Politics at Trent University.

Dan DiMicco, Chairman and CEO, Nucor Steel Corporation and author of Steeling America’s Future: a CEO’s Call to Arms.

Pat Choate, Running mate of Ross Perot in 1996 and author of Dangerous Business: The Risks of Globalization for America.

Leo W. Gerard, President, United Steelworkers.

Bob Baugh, Executive Director, AFL-CIO Industrial Union Council “

Freepers need to know you want them on the same side as Unions and Big Business. And what was it Adam Smith pointed out about owner getting together... Oh wait you Adam Smith is no one to you, you go with Union bosses, right? You imagine that when workers and bosses agree on something like protection it is necessarily good for consumer or the rest of us right?

And then there are the loons. I have kept a couple of examples:

“Gavin Fridell, author of Fair Trade Coffee: the Prospects and Pitfalls of Market-Driven Social Justice, Assistant Professor of Politics at Trent University.

Pat Choate, Running mate of Ross Perot in 1996 and author of Dangerous Business: The Risks of Globalization for America.”

certainly all Freepers want to side with Social Justice guys and Perotistas. Too bad they did not go for the big guns and get Obama and Osama to endorse this book. They are both against Free Trade too and I know all Freepers know they are the side they want to be on.

Again thanks for posting this. With endorsements like this book has, perhaps we can get all Freepers on the side of FREEDOM on this issue as in freedom to trade with whomever you think will benefit you the most.


43 posted on 01/31/2010 7:41:16 PM PST by JLS (Democrats: People who wont even let you enjoy an unseasonably warm winter day)
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To: discostu
Prior to WWII our industrial sector really wasn’t that great,

Yeah. There was no industrial revolution before the forties. My grandfather, who was a petrolium engineer in the thirties was just hoping it would turn into a career someday, no doubt.

44 posted on 01/31/2010 7:41:41 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian
Did you see :”It explains why free trade is bad not just for America, but for poor foreign nations, too.

We know this is a lie. Compare the Chinese now to the 1970s starving.

45 posted on 01/31/2010 7:42:45 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: Clintonfatigued
"Before the advent of corporations and their takeover of the political system"

Do you always sound like Brezhnev's "Pravda" or only today?

You may have failed to have noticed that the some corporations, namely British colonies on this continent, "took over" the British "political system." You find this corporate action contemptible?

What's more troubling is that you speak like all commies: no reasoning, no arguments, just overreaching statements about complex phenomena as if they were trivial. Silly. And leftist. You do sound like Willie Green who cannot find anything positive about the free-market system.

46 posted on 01/31/2010 7:43:20 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: ianfletcher

What ever happened to Fair Trade?


47 posted on 01/31/2010 7:45:16 PM PST by IM2MAD
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To: MrEdd

I didn’t say that. Try sticking with what was actually said.


48 posted on 01/31/2010 7:45:38 PM PST by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: ianfletcher

Same old claptrap. But hey, if you’re lucky Obama will manage to start a trade war with china and some other countries and we’ll see the wonderful effects of it on our economy and our country’s future.


49 posted on 01/31/2010 7:46:59 PM PST by dr_who
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To: Last Dakotan

Free trade with most of Asia has been an unmitigated disaster.
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Not only are we forced to compete with companies that operate cheaper and get their raw materials more cheaply than we do because of a lack of environmental regulations but our intellectual property is stolen wholesale or security features are reverse engineered inviting piracy to flourish.

Our companies are taxed to death ... Our costs are way out of whack due to environmental regs and the legal profession ... our patents are ignored , products copied and the incentive to create in software or engineering is beaten out of us with the knowledge that H1-B’s are there to put you out of work the minute you gain enough experience to merit higher pay.


50 posted on 01/31/2010 7:49:14 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: MrEdd

if

The supposedly former navy nitwit was basing his argument on “if”


51 posted on 01/31/2010 7:54:29 PM PST by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: TopQuark

” no reasoning, no arguments, just overreaching statements about complex phenomena as if they were trivial.”

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!! Typical free trader.


52 posted on 01/31/2010 7:59:09 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: MrEdd
But this is a side issue. If your nation can not stand against outside forces, do unions matter? At all?

You are claiming that we need to protect the US steel industry SOLELY in the name of national security. If we protect these industries, how will the unions help with your national security goals?

53 posted on 01/31/2010 7:59:42 PM PST by Cheap_Hessian (I am the Grim FReeper.)
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To: Mariner

Thank you for that excellent description.

We are plunging headlong as a nation, to ruin.

And the brainwashed “free traders” will be shouting “go go go” right to the moment we crash into the ground

We are making our future enemies richer, more capable, more powerful and more industrial.

We are making America poorer, less capable, weaker and dependent upon people who hate us.

Wake up people.


54 posted on 01/31/2010 7:59:52 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (2012: Repeal it all... All of it!)
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To: discostu
I didn’t say that

How did I cut and paste it then. The US had ceased being an agrarian society by the roaring twenties.

55 posted on 01/31/2010 7:59:52 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: ianfletcher

Your basic premise is flawed. We do not and cannot have free trade. We have a collection of very complex trade agreements along with international groups that resolve disputes about the agreements. The agreements have many flaws and countries try to gain competitive advantage in various ways. The US plays heavy with trade agreements so the situation is not so asymmetric.

I do not believe that the trade agreements are the fundamental problem. The fundamental problem is our growing lack of competitiveness. Unions, trial lawyers, and environmentalists along with rat political control has eroded our competitive level. If unions had their way about trade agreements, the price of goods and services would increase substantially and the quality would decrease. In just one year, the rats have dropped a debt on us that we may never recover.


56 posted on 01/31/2010 8:03:02 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: MrEdd

See here’s what I said: we were still mostly an agrarian society

And then here’s what you said: There was no industrial revolution before the forties.

Notice the rather large difference between mostly agrarian and no industrial revolution. See what you did is twisted what I said into something else to pretend you actually have a point, and you structured it into an insult, which proves you don’t.


57 posted on 01/31/2010 8:03:22 PM PST by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: ianfletcher
Free Trade Doesn't Work

How would anyone know this? Very few, and the good ole USA is certainly not among them, have attempted it in any of our lifetimes!

58 posted on 01/31/2010 8:05:28 PM PST by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: Figment
The supposedly former navy nitwit was basing his argument on “if”

Yes. If there is war.

Walter williams based his response on peace as a given.

You can, of course choose which nit wittery you wish to allign with. Tell me how does this always peace on earth thing come about?

In all my years in the military, I never learned how you could have peace and prosperity without the strength to defend it through force of arms.

You can sometimes have peace without strength for a little while if you are a little impoverished hell hole nobody would want.

Your screen name is certainly indicative of the substance of your reasoning.

59 posted on 01/31/2010 8:08:09 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd
Intellectually, I must require you to show that any country can manage the required logistics to win a war with unrestricted free trade. Manufacture and supply of all food, equipment,and fuel in quantity delivered where needed.

You know, our country has fought several wars since Nafta and the wto. "Unrestricted" free trade? Just what are you arguing for? That our country should be prepared to invade and occupy half of Europe and africa at the drop of a hat? Ever thought about what effect that would have on our standard of living at home?

A position which requires peace as an assumed fact is not defensible.

You were born in the wrong millenium. You would have loved Sparta.
60 posted on 01/31/2010 8:11:35 PM PST by dr_who
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