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Store or Starve A beginner’s guide to food storage
nationalexpositor.com ^ | 1/21/10 | Ron Shirtz

Posted on 01/24/2010 7:51:38 AM PST by Kartographer

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To: metmom

You’re so right. Summer of ‘08 canning was surging in popularity...couldn’t find jars anywhere after around May. Summer of ‘09 they were everywhere.

I have supplies and skills, hubs is a mechanical whiz. Son is 10 and knows everything (sigh) but there are glimmers of hope. LOL

We homeschool, and I try to have curriculum and appropriate materials for up to 2 years ahead as well.

Preparedness has helped us through rough times as well.

I need to fina a good book on wild edibles like maine said. I am also buying non-hybrid heirloom seeds and learning how to save them from the fruit.


181 posted on 01/25/2010 7:33:12 AM PST by kimmie7 (THE CROSS - Today, Tomorrow and Always!)
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Side Note: I checked ebay and suture kits and such items are plentiful and inexpensive. Especially helpful if you have experience with them.


182 posted on 01/25/2010 7:34:46 AM PST by kimmie7 (THE CROSS - Today, Tomorrow and Always!)
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To: kimmie7
I checked ebay and suture kits and such items are plentiful and inexpensive.

I got mine from Amazon. Now all I have to do is come up with some liquid Lidocaine...

183 posted on 01/25/2010 7:36:24 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: 70th Division

You mean inedible! uneatable? lol


184 posted on 01/25/2010 7:43:37 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Become a monthly donor or FR won't be here for you!)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Ya, that too! LOL


185 posted on 01/25/2010 7:54:55 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Painesright
The movie “the omega man comes to mind. What really happens is you need a fort or how to make your place fort like. Almost immediately they will begin to break/kick down doors and come to get whatever a person has stored ... survival of the fittest and probably the meanest.

Families with adults might be able to hold them out ... of over running a person and stealing what ever they can find.

I do believe in being prepared. What it may take is a bunker or a cave hidden some where somehow. Things will quickly deteriorate. I pray I am too pessimistic.

God help us in our day, in Jesus name, amen.

186 posted on 01/25/2010 7:55:45 AM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Kartographer
"...What about when they show up on your doorstep with starving little ones? That's one of my nightmares and one that could cause my downfall...."

You raise an excellent point, and for many this is the crux of the matter: We exist in a society and culture that values "feelings" over hard decisions. We are gregarious animals that think of ouselves relative to those around us, and not in a vacuum.

The idea that in a time of crisis we may have to turn away those in need is repulsive and horrifying (and indeed, goes counter to all that we have been programmed to believe the last 50 years by our liberal culture), but to simply stick your head in the sand and ignore this horriying concept(like my wife, for instance) does a disservice to everyone you love. This is because someday, the food that feeds your neighbors must be snatched from the hand of your child, and vice versa.

No one knows exactly what the future holds, but to mull over this philosophical point before it becomes a reality is very important, and may be the key to your survival in the Coming Hard Times.

I went through my entire family and made a mental list of the relatives I am willing to take in. Out of my side of the family, the answer is ZERO. They are Obama voters, and even their children are polluted by poor parenting and have bad attitudes/are obstinate. On my wifes side there are 3: My nieces, who are old enough and resposible enough to carry out simple tasks without supervision, and may theoreticaly bring a high dowry in the future (toeheads, yay!). All my/my wife's other family members are on their own, as I cannot support them and my own family without some of us dying, and I will not accept anyone into my home who is not willing to obey me. I explained this to my wife, and it made her cry.

187 posted on 01/25/2010 8:15:54 AM PST by I Buried My Guns
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To: metmom

Thanks for the ping - in my opinion, anytime you see a storage type thread, ping the HS list! We’re a homeschooling food storing family. :) I too miss Appleseed, was on his survival list and noticed a couple months ago he stopped posting, wondered why.


188 posted on 01/25/2010 8:16:52 AM PST by agrace
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To: I Buried My Guns
I explained this to my wife, and it made her cry.

My wifes family is over 2,000 miles away from us. In a SHTF scenario that might as well be the far side of the moon.

Now 'friends', they're another story. If I had a nickel for every time a 'friend' said "If things ever go to sh* I'm coming here." meaning my place.

I've responded that they damn well better not show up empty handed or I'll show them the highway the same way I would any stranger. I told them I'm not going to do for them what they should have been doing for themselves.

A couple of them have wised up and started making their own preparations. One guy actually said he'd have to re-evaluate our relationship. "Fine" was all I said.

L

189 posted on 01/25/2010 8:27:33 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: kimmie7
would like to have a nice Rx backup first.

This depends on your needs of course, but what I've done is every time one of us goes the doctor and gets a refill of an Rx, we ask for a sample. The pharmacy drug pushers are always leaving samples and I've never yet been turned down by the doctor.

Then we rotate the sample into the daily meds and set aside an equal amount of the newest regular Rx. Refill the Rx the next time around and do it again. I've been able to build up a 90 day emergency supply of all our Rx by doing that for a couple years. I just rotate the pills the way I do canned goods so the emergency stash is always up to date.

190 posted on 01/25/2010 8:34:16 AM PST by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: Lurker
"...One guy actually said he'd have to re-evaluate our relationship...."

folks like this would do better to simply reevaluate THEMSELVES and their refusal to take responsibility for their lives. Your (soon-to-be-former) friend is using emotions to guide his behavior, and that is never a good thing unless you are a chick shopping for shoes.

For most of us it is a big wake up when a former friend exposes himself as an utter flake who refuses to man up and do the right thing. I take solace that these are not the caliber of folks I want around me in a crisis anyways.

191 posted on 01/25/2010 8:41:25 AM PST by I Buried My Guns
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To: I Buried My Guns
folks like this would do better to simply reevaluate THEMSELVES and their refusal to take responsibility for their lives.

No doubt. And I haven't seen that person in almost 6 months. I did manage to get 2 other ones to 'see the light' as it were.

So I lost one but brought two on board. Not bad when you think about it.

192 posted on 01/25/2010 8:48:54 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: DelaWhere

Thanks for the ping and the info!


193 posted on 01/25/2010 8:50:57 AM PST by alwaysconservative (If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.)
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To: djf
how do you explain

You don't. You just don't. She won't hear it, you were justified, and he won't care.

194 posted on 01/25/2010 9:03:07 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Virtue is to be apologized for. Depravity commands respect. - Galt)
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To: Kartographer

An extra 20lb sack of rice (200 servings) doesn’t cost much nor takes much space.


195 posted on 01/25/2010 9:05:01 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Virtue is to be apologized for. Depravity commands respect. - Galt)
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To: ctdonath2

But for heavens’ sake, store it airtight. We brought home hundreds of little visitors in a bag from Sam’s. $100 and 4 trips from the exterminator and they’re finally all gone. I also freeze some stuff for a couple days before storage.


196 posted on 01/25/2010 9:15:31 AM PST by kimmie7 (THE CROSS - Today, Tomorrow and Always!)
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To: I Buried My Guns
"...I will not accept anyone into my home who is not willing to obey me. I explained this to my wife, and it made her cry."

My wife was also sad when I told her the only people we will take in is my defenseless grand-children. She said okay (self-preservation is the quite the motivator). She often asks if the 12 gauge is ready...am I lucky or what?

I have repeatedly told her grown daughter and my (2) grown children they should be prepared, especially with weapons. However, they would rather spend their limited finances on playing, eating out, big-screens, etc. I tried, but they say I'm paranoid. May be, but when some low-life tries a home invasion...or if the big Cali quake happens...or if society falls apart for any other reason, they will be on their own.

Nitro-Pak is one of the best survival sites on the Web. If you don't want to deal with cannning, rotate beans and rice, and have the money...check out Mountain House freezed dried food that has a 30 year life shelf. We have a year supply. Don't come knocking...you will be looking down the barrel of a Remington 00 shotgun.

197 posted on 01/25/2010 9:46:54 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: DYngbld
Since I've not received a reply on this thread regarding "criminal hoarding", I have done some searching and the only thing that I've found to this point is Executive Order 10998 signed by President Kennedy in 1962, which provides for certain government control of stockpiles and commodities in the event that the President declares martial law. I do not know if it is still in effect, but I can see no reference to the pantries of citizens, and I don't think that an Executive Order can provide for specific criminal charges against citizens that have a personal stash of food.

I will continue to research the matter and you may want to as well, and we can share what we learn. Here is a link to Executive Order 10998.

198 posted on 01/25/2010 10:22:30 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Do not wish doom on your enemy. Plan it.)
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To: kimmie7
When we lived overseas and most of the goods in the store were shipped in from the states, we often had “visitors” in the flower, rice, etc.. We just put it in the freezer for a week or so then moved it to dry storage. Once we had 50Lbs or flower, 25lbs of sugar, and 50lbs of rice in the freezer, people just laughed at us, but we didn't have bugs.
199 posted on 01/25/2010 10:33:31 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Looks like States may have various ordnances. Outside of the Kennedy EO I don't see anything federal.

It also looks as if the State Ordnances are more of a Health and Safety issue, and not a hording of food in general.

200 posted on 01/25/2010 10:47:34 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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