[Flycatcher]

Never liked Plato. He always seemed to me to be an effete and effeminate snob.

There's a great anecdote about Plato and Diogenes that (I believe) is from Plutarch's Lives...

Goes like this: One fine day, Diogenes was at the town square cleaning lentils to make himself a meal. Plato strolls up to Diogenes and says: "Diogenes, if you'd only learn to kowtow to kings, you wouldn't have to eat lentils." To which Diogenes immediately responds: "Plato, if only you'd learn to eat lentils, you wouldn't have to kowtow to kings."

Great stuff!

[El Gringo]

Flycatcher:
Thanks for bringing history alive. Great stuff, indeed.——JWThinkwright