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To: Ghblog
I wonder what percentage of unionized mine workers voted for 0bama. If it is very high, then those people have no one to blame but themselves for losing their jobs.

I've always been skeptical of union members supposedly being "conservative" even though the union itself is liberal. If it was true, then why haven't more of these workers tried to decertify the unions that continue to screw them over? It happens in some places, why not in others?

2 posted on 12/27/2009 5:40:41 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

For Lenin the governmentalization of the trade unions was a long process of practical activity, of direct work in the organization of the national economy. He thought of the transformation of the unions into organs of state power as of a process which begins by participation in the government of the country and ends in the building up of new organs exclusively under the control of the trade unions. But why must the trade unions, in Lenin’s opinion, come to control the national economy? “Because,” Lenin replies, “the trade unions are mass organizations and the revolution is primarily the creation of the masses itself.” Lenin formulates this idea in the following words: “The trade unions become the principle builders of the new society because the builders of this society can be only the great masses, just as the builders of society during serfdom were made up of hundreds, just as the state under capitalism was built up by thousands and tens of thousands, just so can the present socialist revolution be accomplished only with the direct and active participation of tens of millions in the governing of the state.”

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lozovsky/1924/14.htm

Be Afraid. As the dollar is allowed to fall...EVENTUALLY we will see a rise in manufacturing capacity and exports. Rahm Emmanual, David Axelrod, and Ben Bernanke all know this.


6 posted on 12/27/2009 5:53:32 AM PST by mo
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To: pnh102

I think many if not most union members are more conservative then the union’s leadership. Certainly more conservative than the staff members hired as administrators-most of whom are left-wing liberal arts majors from private schools or large public universities.

The reason they don’t decertify is best summarized by an old timer I worked with many years ago. “Even the worst union with corrupt leaders is better than no union at all”.

Well the old timer was wrong but he came into the work force as a young man straight out of the CCC camps in the middle 1930’s and landed his first full time job in a company that was unionized. He believed the union got him this job not the company.


10 posted on 12/27/2009 5:57:05 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: pnh102

It won’t matter how many UMW’s vote for Barry. ACORN will count the votes.


13 posted on 12/27/2009 6:37:02 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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