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To: the long march

Mind Bender,

You attacked Leonard Horowitz and then you personally attacked me and my character, religion, and sanity. These attacks need to be addressed, but it is my experience that in the marketplace of ideas when a personal attack comes into play, it only means that one has lost the argument. Innocent families are literally being destroyed by toxic vaccines all over the world, and you attack Len and Me? Odd.

But I will answer your personal attacks if only to stick up for myself a little bit.

“Now having read your blog there are a couple of things I find more than a little disturbing

1) ordinary people are not locked up in psych hospitals for post partum depression. You had to have had some very dangerous behaviours going on to be committed.”

I was committed to a state mental hospital while in the throes of post partum psychosis three months after the birth of my first baby. This happened 21 years ago and I was forcibly (court ordered) drugged on a cocktail of deadly pharmacueticals that after a year left me almost completely disabled because of toxic side effects. It was alternative healing in the form of Sunrider Chinese Herbs, Homeopathics, and whole organic foods that gave me my life back. I have happily given birth to four additional children in the past twenty years and I have not taken one damn psychiatric pill since 1990. When my third child was three I started to write - beginning with my story of healing from post partum psychosis.

“2) your devotion to the fringe anti medicine folks is evident. You do not know how to analyze data or weigh source material. Your sources are suspect in oh so many ways.”

My devotion first and foremost is to my family, my own mental well being, and my own health. The medical profession drugged me and left me lying on the side of the road half dead I was so toxic and sick. It was alternative healers and the love of my husband that helped me to move from that sickly place to a place of wellness these past two decades. I don’t have to have any “source material” beyond my own personal experience to share my story and testify of the things that I know are true, as I do every day on my blog.

The so called scientific studies that validate vaccines and psychiatric meds are some of the worst junk science being shoved on families. I have researched that fact for many years. I also am an expert in Natural Childbirth and have researched the various studies and claims around medicated birth for many years. Again a field riddled with bogus claims and studies. The most telling “factual data” to support my lifestyle is found in the bright shiny eyed love of each and every child that is born holistically into the hands of its parents who are then lovingly nurtured with mothers milk and kept safe from toxic vaccines, antibiotics, and psychiatric medicines.

All I have to do to see the carnage in my own life is witness the living hell of the people in my life who have used the medical profession at every juncture of family life. Some of these beautiful families have been badly burned by the toxins flowing through their childrens brains and bodies and are living the hellish day to day existence of the permanently damned and disabled. I am only attempting to warn and share and testify.

And now we have the worst Genocide in the history of the world playing out right in front of our eyes and you call me and Len suspect and fringe and twisted?

“3) your rabid belief in the LDS faith has convinced you that your own twisted thinking is correct.”

My faith in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and my membership in this church has little to do with my homebirth and health freedom activism. Most members of my church happily birth children in the hospital, vaccinate, and use modern medicine for every little bump and ache.

Jesus Christ is the most important figure in my life. I love him with all of my heart, and I work every day to live a life that he would be proud of and that is in keeping with his amazing example.

The various medical systems that are in place in our world right now are killing people, destroying families, and traumetizing those who use it. And now it is all going to be socialized and entrenched as we the people get soaked as we attempt to pay the bills demanded by the drug cartel.

For thirty years Leonard Horowitz has been telling the truth about the drug manufacturers. His warnings have largely been ignored as genocide in the form of AIDS, EBOLA, and now H1N1 flu vaccines have played out in various countries.

It is your unwillingness to take the blinders from your eyes that is contributing to the problem. Evidence exists to prove that the vaccine not only cause miscarriage but that massive numbers of people getting the vaccine, both women and men, will be permanently STERLIZED by the toxins contained in those deadly little syringes.

The genocidal agendas are playing out, in America, right now today. And I believe those people who planned, funded, and unleashed this haulocaust on the planet should be arrested, tried, and then dumped into a prison for the rest of their natural born lives before they go spend all of eternity burning in hell.

Wake up! The Vaccine IS THE PANDEMIC!!!

Jenny


26 posted on 12/27/2009 3:04:32 PM PST by Jenny Hatch (Mormon Mommy Blogger)
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To: Jenny Hatch

“And now we have the worst Genocide in the history of the world playing out right in front of our eyes and you call me and Len suspect and fringe and twisted?”

That says everything. There is no genocide going on. There is no conspiracy occuring. Your source material comes from a well known quack whose background is in dentitry. Oh yeah he has a masters in public health. The guy markets patent medicine like a 19th century snake oil salesman. You chose him you can try and defend him. Science is about facts.

FACT H1N1 has not killed that many folks world wide. The so called killer flu did not occur. The US experienced exactly what Australia did. An early rise, younger people than usual being hit, rapid peak and then it burned out.

” I don’t have to have any “source material” beyond my own personal experience “ Again your words. Convincing people o fthe rightness of your position will never occur based on your anecdotal stories of homeopathy.

Nice try though. For the record, I am done with your blog and this post


27 posted on 12/27/2009 5:48:55 PM PST by the long march
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To: Jenny Hatch

And for the record my screen name is the long march not mind bender


28 posted on 12/27/2009 5:49:39 PM PST by the long march
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To: Jenny Hatch
Jenny, you have me mixed up with someone else.... just as you have medicine mixed up with metaphysical madness.

You attacked Leonard Horowitz and then you personally attacked me and my character, religion, and sanity.

Let's take them one at a time. Horowitz is a hate-America first scammer. Louis Farakan and Jeremiah love him because he blames AIDS on an American plan to wipe out Black people. He sells mouthwash for $300 because (his claims) it “electrocutes’ germs. He is a dentist, not a physician, and like most con men, has a great rap... but no ride.

Regarding your sanity. You say your psychiatric hospital admissions were because the doctors have you the wrong drugs... for a year. If you think we should all cure psychosis with (your words) Sunrider Chinese herbs, well... I just let that one stand with no comment.

Your religion: I have no argument with LDS. Most members I know are fine people. My only question is, have you discussed these “beliefs’ with your Ward Bishop or Stake President. They might have strong “beliefs’ and some guidance about associating with people like Horowitz.

Finally, your character. No argument there. You are a character.

One other thought, please do not see this as a personal attack, but years ago a friend was seeing a physician who kept after her to lose 20 pounds and give up her 2-3 cigarettes a day smoking. One day she saw him in a bar, not in his white coat, obviously 60 pounds overweight, smoking cigars and on his 3d Scotch. She changed doctors.

I watched your video. You might have a better change of convincing others how healthy your program is, and how viable your advice is, if you dropped about 100 pounds yourself.

Good luck.

30 posted on 12/27/2009 7:01:41 PM PST by MindBender26 (Obama is what you get when you let the O.J. jury selects a president !)
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To: Jenny Hatch
Jenny, you have me mixed up with someone else.... just as you have medicine mixed up with metaphysical madness.

You attacked Leonard Horowitz and then you personally attacked me and my character, religion, and sanity.

Let's take them one at a time. Horowitz is a hate-America first scammer. Louis Farakan and Jeremiah love him because he blames AIDS on an American plan to wipe out Black people. He sells mouthwash for $300 because (his claims) it “electrocutes’ germs. He is a dentist, not a physician, and like most con men, has a great rap... but no ride.

Regarding your sanity. You say your psychiatric hospital admissions were because the doctors have you the wrong drugs... for a year. If you think we should all cure psychosis with (your words) Sunrider Chinese herbs, well... I just let that one stand with no comment.

Your religion: I have no argument with LDS. Most members I know are fine people. My only question is, have you discussed these “beliefs’ with your Ward Bishop or Stake President. They might have strong “beliefs’ and some guidance about associating with people like Horowitz.

Finally, your character. No argument there. You are a character.

One other thought, please do not see this as a personal attack, but years ago a friend was seeing a physician who kept after her to lose 20 pounds and give up her 2-3 cigarettes a day smoking. One day she saw him in a bar, not in his white coat, obviously 60 pounds overweight, smoking cigars and on his 3d Scotch. She changed doctors.

I watched your video. You might have a better change of convincing others how healthy your program is, and how viable your advice is, if you dropped about 100 pounds yourself.

Good luck.

31 posted on 12/27/2009 7:02:20 PM PST by MindBender26 (Obama is what you get when you let the O.J. jury selects a president !)
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To: Jenny Hatch; All

“Wake up! The Vaccine IS THE PANDEMIC!!!”

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/18527


42 posted on 01/02/2010 8:56:30 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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