Posted on 12/19/2009 8:00:05 PM PST by MestaMachine
“Our Founding Fathers faced a far different enemy. They merely had to evict the British army, governors, and their minimal bureaucracy.”
*Merely* to us now was not *merely* to them then. And the British controlled virtually everything. They had an army and superior weapons. They had the full backing of the British sovereign and all the currency they needed. They had warships and many, many advantages the farmers and shopkeepers of their day did not have. They controlled the flow of commerce.
“Marxism is an idea. We are up against a philosophy that has been preached to several generations now in our government schools, too many private schools, and our colleges, and universities. Slightly more than half the voting population voted for Obama. That means half the population **willingly** placed their confidence in a Marxist.”
FREEDOM and this Republic was an idea. It wasn’t even a philosophy. It was an untried and completely new form of government. Imagine the very idea that all men are created equal and endowed by their CREATOR with rights even a monarch could not supercede. It was positively REVOLUTIONARY. But it worked. And these were people who had never known any other way. Not brainwashed individuals.
And the voters who voted for obama did NOT vote willingly for an avowed Marxist. They voted for various reasons, one of which was the white guilt that has been jammed down our throats for decades, and the other was his lies. Had he been truthful, I don’t think he could have gotten elected. As long as I have been keeping track, the hard left in this country has not surpassed 33%. It stays right around there and has for some time. You are also forgetting that 97% of the black vote went to him ONLY because he was “black.”
You are also conveniently leaving out what a lousy candidate john mxxain was. I freely admit that if Sarah Palin had not been his running mate, I would have stayed home. But nobody, except a few of us, expected obama to be as thuggish and anti-American, pro-muslim as he is. He isn’t JUST a marxist, he is a criminal. And nobody expected that even the democrats would completely ignore the entire US population and do the things they have done.
“How do we persuade more than half the population that Marxism is evil and that conservatism is the better idea? When they go to vote how do we teach half the population not to vote for Marxism?”
More than half the population IS Conservative. We have not been electing Conservatives. We have been electing letters of the alphabet who do not share our views or our principles. So everybody in DC looks alike to most voters, and up until this divide, they were right. Look at Graham. He is STILL promoting cap and tax. Mxxain would be too if he wasn’t running for reelection.
Freedom to thrive is something we have not really been able to do for a long time. The democrats have held black people AND hispanics on the plantation, refused them education, have offered the NO WAY OUT, have paid them to stay in poverty using their OWN corrupt leaders to do it. What makes you think they wouldn’t benefit from conservatism as well? If you are forced to live in a beehive, you are going to act like a bee.
I am saying that this entire government has become too big, too overarching, and it needs to go. ALL OF IT and start over. If laws cannot be written in plain English, they should not be written at all. No law in the world needs to be so full of slickness and legalese that the average person cannot understand it.
One way to stop this cycle is to not allow people who live on the public dole by choice to vote, period. I am not talking about retirees who have only Social Security to get them by. If you can’t understand or speak English, you don’t vote. If you cannot prove you are a citizen of this country, you don’t vote. Unions campaigning for candidates should be outlawed in every state in the country. Union dues should not be donated to ANY political campaign and it should be strictly enforced. Corporations should not be allowed to make donations. No gifts, no perks, no nothing. No organization or interest group should be able to donate to politicians. Individual donations ONLY and no donation over five thousand dollars any time, anywhere, to anyone including presidential candidates. You get caught taking money, you go to jail. ENFORCE it.
Congress should not be a fulltime job either. It should meet twice a year for two weeks and that is it. No pay either. Public service is public service. Pay their own way there and back and their own hotel bills, or sleep in the building they work in. Pay for their own food. No retirement benefits for congressmen. No free health care. NOTHING.
Unions for public and/or government workers should be banned. Unions for teachers should be banned. If a teacher can’t get through college with a 3.5 grade average, they are not fit to teach. If they can’t speak properly, no certification. Pay them what they are worth, not what they demand. I am sick of them holding our children hostage to their stinking union when they are nothing but paid propagandists.
Government needs to back off and back off until we don’t even notice it anymore. The president should be a figurehead unless and until we need decisions on war and peace, or treaties with other countries that We the People approve of. Immigration should be halted until we know precisely who is already here and where they are and enforcement of the borders should be relegated to the states.
There’s more, but you get my drift. Mainly, we start from scratch. It wouldn’t be easy. But it would be worth it.
I completely agree with all of your proposals except the one above. Can I persuade you to imagine a U.S. without public K-12 schools?
All government K-12 schools should be abolished and all government colleges and universities should be privatized.
Why?
Simply by attending a school paid for through socialism a child learns to be comfortable with socialism. Every day a child attends a government school, he learns that the government can threaten his neighbor with legal action to pay for a service his parents want for tuition-free!
So?...If a child is acclimatized to thinking tuition-free schooling is a right, then it is a short step to believing that free retirement, medicine, housing, food, and thousand other goods and services are a government right as well!
Please remember that we didn't have tuition-free government schools until the mid 1800s to late 1900s. Is it surprising then that those of our great grandparents, grandparents, and parents generation approved the IRS, direct election of Senators, the federal reserve, social security and the rest of FDRs New Deal, Johnson's Great Society, a thousand other socialist programs,...and now we have Obama!
We have a socialist nation because our great grandparents, grandparents, parents, we ourselves, and our children were made comfortable with accepting socialism by attending socialist government schools paid though the threat of police action.
Otherwise, everything else is spot on!
Soviet Subversion of the Free World Press - 1984 - 1:21:28 -
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2307456730142665916
From Russia with No Love
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/from_russia_with_no_love.html
Amen. My feelings are very similar.
I prays God’s will be done and I have the strength, courage and humility to do his will and not my own.
......but we outnumber them by a significant margin.......
But they own all the cities and control all the transport arteries. thus control the mass of the population and the votes to be cast. As in Iran, they control all.
They must be cut off and starved
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“I believe that you are in for a rude awakening then.The “average American” will turn on Conservatives beginning with Christian Conservatives next. Once obama carehas been passed, the media will ramp up its demonization of Christian Conservatives. Terms such as bigots, narrow minded, haters, homophobe, Right Winger, anti government,domestic terrorists, anti environmentalists, and other terms that are designed to elicit public hatred will be used more and more by the media.”
Only one question on your statement, Do you not think this is happening now (and recent past 20 years), but just at a little lower intensity than what we will see in the near future?
Can this be posted elsewhere? The topic needs broader distribution.
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Obviously I forgot how to post a picture from my desktop onto the forums - I followed the advice from HTML Sandbox, and it didn’t post. Any help? The image is very appropriate and inspiring to this discussion.
I don’t think you can post an image from your desktop. Try opening a photobucket free account and upload it to there, and then post it.
I OWN Galt’s Gulch. Welcome....
You have stated that “occupation” is not such a good idea. Let me tell you what I mean by occupation. We need access to the private offices and private files of these congresscritters, their aids and staff members, and ensconced bureaucrats and department heads. It is what we need to bargain and win with. We can’t do this in a day or two. No stone should be left unturned. Exposing these criminals in public will bring more and more people into the fight.
We have to be able to threaten their databases and find proof of the corruption we know exists.
There are other things we need to do, but I am not going to post them here.
FWIW, in my original post I said to use women and children as the front line. I said this because I am a woman with a very young child. This is SO important because I would be one of the first women to confront whatever happens. It isn’t that I am so brave. It is that I honestly believe that there is no other way out.
I NEVER want to look in my child’s eyes and tell her I did nothing. If women formed up in enough numbers, I think this stands a better chance of succeeding. Americans are by and large a people whose first instinct is to protect mothers and children. I am putting great stock in that holding true, and I would never ask anyone to do what I will not do myself.
Also, since you had such a hard time finding this thread, I have posted the url on my profile page for anyone who is interested.
We agree. And time is passing. The left is constantly corrupting our language, stealing our words and changing their meanings. The word “Gay,” for instance.
Let us steal some of theirs and give new meaning to “Winter Soldier.”
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