Posted on 11/24/2009 9:55:42 AM PST by STARWISE
“FREE THE LONG FORM!”
Interesting. Ping me to it ... ;)
Bingo.
If the popularity of the imposter falls even lower than it is now, for example, will it be more likelty that some judges will be willing to apply the law?
In 1981 Pakistan was under martial law.
The U.S. State Department issued a travel advisory because it would be dangerous for Americans to travel there. Not a “NO TRAVEL” restriction.
That is according to your post, and I assume you went to some site somewhere and checked that out, and I take your word for that.
That would be the U.S. government’s side of things: issuing a “travel advisory” that travel to Pakistan is a dangerous move.
But is it possible that the Pakistani Immigrations side was in fact not allowing entry to American Passport holders.
The statement first made is:
” . . . certain undesirables… Christians, Jews, and Americans… were prohibited from entering the country.”
“were prohibited” by Pakistan, not by the USA, from entering Pakistan.
Is that still a possibility?
Or, if any nation is prohibiting entry, does the US State Department issue a “NO TRAVEL” restriction? If so, would the Indonesian exit authorities pull all American Passport holders out of line or off of flights?
I don’t want to discount the entire article. I would like to have cleared up the following:
Regardless of the US State Dept. advisory level, was Pakistan itself at that time prohibiting people arriving from Indonesia (or any countries) and carrying US Passports from entering Packistan? Or was Pakistan allowing US Passport holders to enter?
The US State Department can order airlines not to issue boarding passes to “No Travel” countries if flights are originating from the USA. But US State cannot order Indonesian airlines or airports to do the same when flights are leaving Jakarta.
Because Obama was leaving Jakarta, not the USA, the US State Department’s side of things is only secondary to the question-—Was Pakistan itself allowing or NOT allowing entry (from anywhere) to people carrying US Passports.
If NOT, then the writer’s general points are still valid. Obama would have required a passport from another country (or a “camouflauge” passport supposing to look like a Macedonian one mailed from Las Vegas along with an International driver license, all for about $100 — /sarc).
If Pakistan WAS allowing entry to US Passport holders, then the writer must get further proof on the passport thing.
Having read gazillions of threads since early last summer, all about 0bot and his elibility or lack thereof (as have many other freepers), this seems to be the fact on Paki travel:
It was not easy to get a Paki visa to enter the country at that time due to its being under martial law and some degree of turmoil. IIRC, the US State department had travel to Paki under some kind of advisory, definitely not a ban. The Paki gov’t itself was wary about Americans visiting there.
So, if the above is correct (again, IIRC, and if anyone knows more/better, I hope they post on this thread), 0bot might have had a tad of difficulty getting into Paki if he used a US passport, but certainly not impossible. I remember one member here who either went there himself or his brother (?) did at that time (wish I could remember more, and who it was), and he did have to jump some hurdles and I think do some waiting. Americans weren’t at that time just waved on through.
Of course, 0bot was going as a guest of Pakis who were big guys and also IIRC, good little Muslim pro-jihadi types, so even if he did use a US passport it might have been less troublesome than otherwise. Also, his mother worked there at some point - IIRC around that same time frame, and lived for longish time periods in the country. Doing “who knows what”.
If 0bot had an Indo or Brit/Kenyan whatever passport, no prob getting into Paki at all.
I hope someone who knows more fixes any mistakes or misconceptions in my comments.
Hey, hennie - why are you so negative? Are you a Mrs. Nostradamus or prophetess that you can see the future in all respects?
No?
Then why the derision/negativity? Trying to get people depressed and hopeless?
Nothing is hopeless. In fact I totally disagree with you and think his ineligibilty is gaining momentum, more and more.
This may be a small issue (to some) compared to his evil and destructively ruinous agenda, but it is part of the reason why he has to be evicted. The sooner the better. Could even be the straw that broke the camel’s back.
I am really sick and tired of all the Negative Nellies on this topic. You CAN’T see the future, so you DON’T know what will happen.
You may have an opinion or wishes, but you are not God. And only He can see the exact future, no one else can.
If Pakistan was not admitting Americans under U.S. passports then the State Department would have advised U.S. citizens of this salient fact; they did not.
Your idea that this one untruth can be surgically excised and the rest of what the author says taken as absolutely true is naive at best. If someone is repeating a lie that is easily checked, what makes you think the rest of their “scholarship” was any more rigorous?
Note my comment above to STARWISE and allmendream. Unfortunately I don’t have links, just have some digested stuff from reading for many hundreds and hundreds of hours... I hope someone who does know more factually will comment.
What’s worse; people mistakenly claiming there was a travel ban when there wasn’t; or 0bot being not eligible (possible or likely)?
Which one, in your opinion, is more important and potentially dangerous?
No matter how important the agenda, lies told in furtherance of that agenda are not a credible tactic.
Are you taking the stance that 0bama’s eligibility is such an important issue that it is OK to lie in furthering the cause?
For myself I have consistently maintained that I think such a shoddy regard for the truth is DETRIMENTAL to the cause.
So if you feel the cause is important, and you agree that lies are helping to discredit the cause; why are you not joining me in condemning this lie?
A “travel Advisory” or Travel Warning indicates pretty much the same thing as a travel ban it just means that Americans are travelling at their “own risk”. You are splitting hairs here. But on this subject you usually do. CO
What was I doing? I was checking on that point first. I didn’t want to discount the rest UNTIL I had clarification on that point.
But I’ll tell you this. The man is absolutely NOT qualified simply because of his ideology. He is a communist in his very mind set. If there were 10 thousand photos of him being birthed in Hawaii, and 500 more for each day of his life up to this week, he is a communist. His mind is bent and snapped in that direction.
I do NOT favor ANY lies being told about his status at birth. Obama himself is covering something up, however.
No secretary of state of the several states should allow his name on another ballot until the state of Hawaii fully opens his record.
If it were a Hawaii state office being discussed, that’s Hawaii’s business. But when a man is running for any federal office, that’s the business of the entire nation, . . .
. . . and the US Supreme Court should tell Hawaii it has no right to conceal this information from the secretaries of the several states or from the electors thereof.
You argue dirty.
I am totally opposed to misstatments, non-factual statements, mistakes, and of course, outright lies.
Obviously. The truth should be found, and any factcheck org or com that lies about 0bot on other points is not reliable either.
So, hopefully people who have the time and intelligence can find out the exact specific reality of what was happening vis a vis Americans travelling to Paki at that time.
Meanwhile, 0bot has not shown anything of his documentation, especially any passports he has used throughout his life.
Your slippery refusal to answer my question, and your pretense that I like lies, reveal everything I need to know about you.
Fell apart right off the bat. Pakistan was not and never has been on any 'no travel' list issued by the State Department.
I believe he's also claimed that the Secret Service and the CIA have visited him. So will the three agencies have a fist fight on the sidewalk over who gets to arrest him?
the more this story goes on,the worse it’ll get.and the President could havetoppedit alll with afew simple pieces of paper
the more this story goes on,the worse it’ll get.and the President could havetoppedit alll with afew simple pieces of paper
the more this story goes on,the worse it’ll get.and the President could havetoppedit alll with afew simple pieces of paper
Actually according to the State Department advisory, 30 day tourist visas were available at the Pakistani airports upon landing.
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