SoCalPol, I’d suggest you go back and read up on our Founders, and just how they felt about maintaining standing armies, and foreign entanglements.
The world is a much more complicated place now, and there are realities that require a certain U.S. presence in the world, that the Founders perhaps could not have pondered. That I acknowledge. But, there is nothing noble about being “pro-war.” I don’t think anybody is actually “pro-war,” in favor of war, any old war for war’s sake, outside of military contractors.
Now, being in favor of specific actions, including war, due to an identifiable cause with a desired outcome that is in the national interest, is another matter. I’m in favor of our efforts in Iraq, myself. That’s a war, or it was, until that cretin of a pretender was sworn into office.
As much as you apparently detest Ron Paul, also understand that he voted in favor of military action in Afghanistan. He was in favor of numerous potential responses to the 9/11 attacks and the Islamist terror threat in general. What he did not favor, was going to war in a manner that was proscribed by the Constitution. I understand and respect that, even though I disagree due to the likely end result his clearly correct understanding would have set into motion.
Your ranting about Paul, one of the very few in Washington, DC who actually views the Constitution as anything but toilet paper, on either side of the aisle, is actually more nutty than the nuttiest stereotype you can throw at Constiutional strict constructionists, many of whom you’d no doubt call “Liberaltarian.”
I, for one, am thankful to have Dr. Paul in the House Of Representatives. He has been a rare and effective voice for Constitutionalism there for decades. I’ve admired and respected him for as long as I’ve been politically aware, and if he were my Representative, I’d be thrilled to vote for him. Long may he serve our country in that capacity. We’re all the better for it.
He’ll never be President, though. If you were capable of separating the wheat from the chaff here, you’d realize that those erstwhile “supporters” of Paul, who have you in such high dudgeon, are the ones that are anti-war, anti- every war, justifiable or not. They’re the clueless, politically unaware fools who are deserving of your scorn, and not fellow conservatives who recognize legitimate Constituional limits on war, as to how it is declared and pursued. I say they’re politically unaware, because if they actually understood the man, that he’s opposed to virtually everything else they stand for, and opposed Iraq due to Constitutional concerns, they wouldn’t be “supporters.”
There will no doubt come a time, when a President and a Congress decide to pursue military action with which you profoundly disagree. Not all Democrats and not all “liberals” (what a misnomer) are opposed to using the military opportunistically. Look to the Clinton era for guidance, since you seem to have forgotten. Or, better yet, the Johnson era.
The only thing worse than a big government perma-hawk is a big government perma-dove, imho.
Flame away.
I worked for Reagan when he first ran for Gov.
That takes care of the myth I am big Gov.
Read up on the early founders and those who built the country. Have for decades including my own relatives.
Over 200 of my 9th great grandparents came to New England and New Amsterdam (NYC) in the 1620s & 1630s.
My 6th great grandfather’s brother’s 2 daus. married signers to the Declaration of Independence
Have over 12 5th great grandfathers who served in the American Revolution. Thank goodness they were pro war and Noble.
I have several 3rd great grandfathers who served in the Union Army in the Civil War. Thank goodness they were pro war and Noble.
Relatives from WWI to in Afghanistan today.
I have relatives who came home in boxes, one who was in the Batan death march another who was a B-17 pilot with over 24 missions over Europe.
I grewup in a neighborhood with dozens of neighbors with numbers on their arm a few years out of the Nazi camps.
I saw Buchenwald when I was in East Germany in 1983, my great uncle in Patton’s 3rd Army helped liberate it.
Ron Paul is a cult figure. I have files of articles in his own words.
HE uses the Constitution the same way the Jehovah’s Witnesses use the Bible.
Using Paul’s analogy, we wouldn’t have fought Hitler because he wasn’t the one who bombed Pearl Harbor.
The many Paulite’s I have gone face to face with have the same talking point of the Code Pinkos I have gone face to face with.
Paul didn’t vote to condemn Ahmadinejad.
Paul like Rev. Wright believes 9/11 was blowback on America
Weapons today are different as is the way wars are fought.
Decades ago, it waould take the enemy hours, days, weeks to hit America.
Now it is minutes.
It is not pro war, it is survival
Paul can sit in his small town hicksville and
pontificate but it will be his turn to fight
or have his head seperated from his body.