WHY WOULD HAWAII AID AN ILLEGAL OF BRITISH BIRTH IN ILLEGALLY OBTAINING A FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

The 9/12 Project ^ | 10/15/09 | Joanne Williams

[curiosity]

The answer is: in 1961 the American public had not yet been herded by Teddy Kennedy and socialists into providing welfare benefits to illegals. Hawaii had a large population of illegals who were slave labor, but were a huge burden to the system in poverty and crime...The Hawaiian answer, as it was a Democratic state and still is, was to start registering all those foreign kids by the thousands.

That's an interesting allegation. Do you have any evidence that it is true? Unfortunately, the author of this piece fails to provide any.

[curiosity]

The place Obama chose to be dumped into by the Dunhams, was like many of the colleges in that 1979 period in tapping into government resources of free money to "educate" foreigners.

Another interesting allegation, for which there is zero evidence.

FYI, it is generally much easire to get financial aid, either Federal of private, if you are a US citizen. There are very few scholarships available for foreign students.

If you want to allege that Obama was studying on a US government scholarship for foreign students, you have to identify some plausible scholarships that he might have gotten. Can you?

[curiosity]

It truly is the STORY OF THE CENTURY

Hold on there, sparky. If this is really going to be the story of the century, there should be some evidence to back it up.

As far as I can see, the author has produced exactly zero evidence to back up any of his explosive allegations.

What do you know? A "journalist" with zero evidence writing about Zero. Sort of fitting.

[curiosity]

Here's a doozy for the squad.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

I particularly enjoyed this one: “Amusingly Occidental College, basically means round eye college as occidentals are of the European origin who reside in North and South America.”

[BuckeyeTexan]

Thanks, curiosity.

Ping.

[The Comedian]

Continuing-to-read-while-I-reload ping!

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

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That's an interesting allegation. Do you have any evidence that it is true? Unfortunately, the author of this piece fails to provide any.

It sounds like he's projecting current conditions back onto the past without really looking at the details.

I don't have any information either, but Hawaiian requirements for birth records were lax even when the welfare state wasn't much to speak of and immigration was limited.

Just why that was -- an effort to get around restrictions on Chinese or Japanese immigration and citizenship or just general inefficiency -- I don't know.

How likely is it that the White Territorial governments would have made things easy for Japanese newcomers? Maybe there were just too many children born on out of the way plantations to keep good records.

[curiosity]

I don't have any information either, but Hawaiian requirements for birth records were lax even when the welfare state wasn't much to speak of and immigration was limited.

I've seen this claimed, but I have yet to see it substantiated.

How likely is it that the White Territorial governments would have made things easy for Japanese newcomers? Maybe there were just too many children born on out of the way plantations to keep good records.

Yes, that is why it was relatively easy to get a "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth" during the territorial era. It's also why such a certificate is NOT accepted as proof of citizenship by the feds.

But I haven't seen any evidence that the documentation standards were lax for certificates of LIVE birth in 1961. I've seen lots of birthers make this allegation, but as usual, they present no evidence to back up their case.

[curiosity]

It sounds like he's projecting current conditions back onto the past without really looking at the details.

I'd also note that the welfare state in 1961 was pretty modest. There were some New Deal programs in place, but the really generous programs didn't come until the Great Society was passed under Johnson ~5 years later.

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I've seen lots of birthers make this allegation, but as usual, they present no evidence to back up their case.

It's probably a conclusion based on the fact that there was a separate "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth" (distinct from a "Certificate of Live Birth" or "Certification of Live Birth) until 1972.

Actually though, the COHB was a looser program for people who couldn't get a birth certificate.

It was intended for children born on out of the way plantations whose births weren't recorded by doctors or hospitals.

But is there real evidence that standards in the Hawaiian COLB program were laxer than in other states?

One thing that gets brought up is the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth that Chinese leader Sun Yat-Sen (1866-1925) was able to get in 1904, even though he wasn't born in Hawaii.

When he was living in Hawaii, Sun got people to lie for him to get his COHB. That was not a COLB, though.

So I don't know. It wouldn't be the first time one of these factoids turned out to be untrue.

[browardchad]

Interesting theory, repeated ad nauseum on birther blogs.

A question: where's the proof?

Why is it that these allegations of massive illegal Hawaiian registration of the foreign-born never present any corroboration in fact?

Is it enough to simply throw mud, and see if it sticks? Has Berg, Taitz or any one of these others bringing lawsuits even bothered to do any research to bring evidence to the court?

Not that I've seen.

[rocco55]

OK...does it make ANY sense whatsoever...for a person who claims to head the :

“most transparent administration ever”

to hide BY COURT ORDER, no less, a simple document verifying :

1. your original legal name at birth ?

2. your original parents ?

3. and your original place of birth ?

THAT, mr. ignoramus ! is the STORY OF THE CENTURY !

[curiosity]

to hide BY COURT ORDER, no less, a simple document verifying :

Gee. That's funny. I didn't hear of any of those court orders. Would you care to tell me where I can find them?

“most transparent administration ever”

Yeah. I agree. That claim's a lie. Obama is a snake and a weasle. Unfortunately, honesty and transparency aren't Constitutional eligibility requirements. I wish they were, believe me, but that's not the reality.

[curiosity]

But is there real evidence that standards in the Hawaiian COLB program were laxer than in other states?

Not that I've seen.

There's so many birthers diligently digging up anything they can find, that I think it's pretty likely we'd have seen evidence of lax standards if they were in fact as lax as birthers claim they were.

It wouldn't be the first time one of these factoids turned out to be untrue.

So far, that's happened with virtually every factoid the birthers have come up with.

[rocco55]

Dude, I have corresponded with the OIP (State of HI Office of Information Practices) and received a statement quoting a statute that they cannot release documents protected under a privacy exemption due to a COURT ORDER !

Also, ALL 3 of BO’s colleges have strict mandate orders to NOT release ANY of his application forms, transcripts, records, etc. !

Without such an order, anyone could simply fill out a FOIA request and gain access to BO’s records over the counter at ANY and ALL of BO’s colleges !

With all due respect, where have you been ?

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Well it happened with the “Indonesian Travel Ban,” the fake Kenyan birth certificate, and the supposed Occidental College records leak. The claim that Obama’s “grandmother” said he was born in Kenya doesn’t stand up too well either. But there are so many mysteries and so much undisclosed information and so many strange details about Obama that this isn’t going to stop any time soon.

[curiosity]

Dude, I have corresponded with the OIP (State of HI Office of Information Practices) and received a statement quoting a statute that they cannot release documents protected under a privacy exemption due to a COURT ORDER!

You are mistaken. It is a state law, not court order, that prevents the release of documents related to the birth record of Obama and everyone else with a birth record on file in Hawaii.

Also, ALL 3 of BO’s colleges have strict mandate orders to NOT release ANY of his application forms, transcripts, records, etc. !

That's also due to privacy laws, not a court order.

Without such an order, anyone could simply fill out a FOIA request and gain access to BO’s records over the counter at ANY and ALL of BO’s colleges

LOL.Birther naivete never ceases to amaze me.

Occidental and Columbia (which is the third college?) are private colleges, and as such, are not governed by the FOIA. Even in the case of government entities, such as the Hawaii DOH, the FOIA does not grant you access to personal records that are protected by privacy laws.

With all due respect, where have you been ?

Checking facts. You should try it some time.

[curiosity]

But there are so many mysteries and so much undisclosed information and so many strange details about Obama that this isn’t going to stop any time soon.

Yes. Secrets and undisclosed information always causes the imaginations of the paranoia-prone to run wild. The fact that sufficient information has been disclosed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he's a natural born citizen will not deter them so long as he's keeping something hidden.

And that's precisely why he's doing it. I don't think he wants it to stop or go away. He's loving it. I'd be too, if I were in his shoes.

[rocco55]

I hate to have to do your homework for you:

Exemption 5 – Records Protected by Law (§92F-22(5))

An agency may withhold records (1) required to be withheld
from the individual by statute or court decision

(hmmmm-—can you read ? COURT DECISION! )

; or
(2) authorized to be withheld by constitutional or statutory
privilege. This allows agencies to withhold records such as
records sealed by a court order

(hmmm....”sealed by a COURT ORDER” ???)

, communications between the agency and its attorney, and records found to be privileged in litigation.

An individual has a right to correct or amend factual errors, misrepresentations, or misleading entries in his or her personal record. Part III sets out the procedures for correction.

THIS is the statute the State quoted in their response to me

Maybe you should read that AGAIN and let it sink in ! !