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To: Landru
(yawn) 6:00 Eastern, I cannot believe I've been wrestling with this freakin' system all night except for about an hour's nap (groan)...

Unreal, would you believe you're the FIRST person, Ford guy or otherwise who satisfactorily explained WTH all the Ford jargon meant insofar as the legendary 427 goes?? It's true, mk. It ain't so much I been living a lie, but I STH been believing one LOL!! Fascinating, beyond words.


Wow. I'm kinda surprised and honored, the Ford approach to high performance has never been a secret although a lot o' folks used to (and still do) hear or utter that infamous 'F-ound O-n R-oad D-ead' mantra and let it go at that, lol (I always countered that with 'F-irst O-n R-ace D-ay' and/or 'F-inest O-pportunity to 'R-ide D-ecently' ;)

So tell me, you a Mechanical Engineer by any chance? Your in-depth knowledge/insight of the nuts & bolts, ability to explain in lay terms what all this historical Ford stuff meant is nothing short of remarkable.

You again honor me, and I thank you. I am unfortunately not an M.E., just had a lifetime fascination with how things go together and how to tweak 'em, lol

If you're not a ME, work in the field in some capacity? It'd shock TS outa me. You STH could've easily written tech docs for anything I designed any time, better than I ever did! ;^)

Bullseye! One of my many incarnations in the work force was a technical writer, mostly in the computer support field, I never had a degree or anything, it was a case of necessity being a mother, I had to document a data center (this was pre-PC days) and was forced to start from scratch with "enter the operations room and turn on the light switch" lol

[regarding 427 'cross bolting']
That, is simply amazing. The crank had to be held stiffer than a two peckered billy-goat in such a fashion. Honestly, you've given me totally new insights into what the Ford engineers tried accomplishing, as such I have gained a new respect for Ford I never in my life had.


LMAO, I never saw a two peckered billy-goat until after the election of '92 when that hyper-libido'd Emperor Billigula started sliming up the Oval Office, what an SOB he was.

I've always liked Ford's kinda (not always) direct approach, the one thing that gained my admiration was their putting the distributor in the FRONT of the engine, instead of the back like GM (Chrysler was similar with front placement although they tilted the distributor on some of their engines (383?), lol

We saw nuthin' said it all. LOL!!
"Hank Williams Jr & Ray Charles 'I didn't see you, you didn't see me, and we didn't see a thing!'"
HA!!
Knew someone had to have had the shtick down before me, that it'd have been HWJr & RC doesn't surprise me. I feel as though my thoughts were in good company even if a few decades late. LOL!


Speaking of, if perchance you've not seen that movie about the life of Ray Charles, 'Ray' with Jamie Fox, it is time well spent, the scene where Ray Charles is in the recording studio for the first take of 'Mess Around' is not only hilarious, it is one fantastic tune, a great 'road' tune!

Lemme guess, NAZZZZZZCAR wouldn't allow it.
"You got it"
Figures, proves the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, eh? Only difference between Sr & his offspring brat is the snot nose. And now they're standing around wringing their hands wondering "WTF happened" as ratings, interest & popularity tanks. ~sigh~ Welcome to the future.


IMHO, the most stupid thing NASCAR ever did was to introduce carburetor restrictor plates. And among the greatest racers, mechanics and crew chiefs of all, was Henry 'Smokey' Yunick, I actually visited his 'Best Damn Garage in Town' in Daytona (this was in the last couple of years before he closed it in '87) and one thing I burned into my memory was something he said about when a driver is headed for an accident, i.e. (paraphrasing now) "when a driver sits back in the seat with his arms extended TO the wheel, and is comfortable, he's not going to wreck. But when he starts leaning forward, getting up on the wheel, tensing up, the clock is ticking on him" and I believe (not sure now) that he said that about the famous Fireball Roberts (Yunick was his crew chief, put him 'on the pole' THREE times), before Roberts crashed and died in '64.

But as they say 'alas I digress', lol

OK, so how many of these H/M cars were really made? Are you saying all the "429 Boss'" built weren't of the same pedigree? Would explain why the guy up the road with the survivor Boss 429 wanted nothing to do with me, if that'd be the case.

I'm not exactly sure how many H/M cars were built, I know that the total number of Boss 429 Mustangs was 1358, with NASCAR requiring that 500 of them be sold to the public to qualify them for the racing circuit, so I'd go out on a limb and say that Holman Moody probably worked over MOST of them, as they were the official Ford go-to guys for NASCAR, their famous 'Competition Proven' logo was said to be worth at least an extra 10 horsepower if you had one on your car, LOL

"Unfortunately Ford pulled out of NASCAR after the '69 season..."
Is that move what was behind Richard Petty leaving Ford the one & only season he switched? Those early years for me are fuzzy.


Actually Petty switched to Ford for that '69 season because Chrysler refused to give him a more aerodynamic Dodge Charger for NASCAR, wanted to keep him in the Belvedere/Road Runner body which had all the aerodynamics of a brick. Petty announced that he would accept Ford's offer to race their new Torino instead, and pissed off everyone in both Chrysler AND Ford camps, lol (part of that might have been that the Petty team basically had nothing to do with Holman Moody, which was kinda like the Israelites deciding to head for the Promised Land but leaving Moses behind with the Egyptians.

But don't let anyone compare the 'race' version with the tuned-down 'street' version, it's like the difference between a .22 auto and a .44 auto mag"
Really? The next door kid, "Gordy", the guy whose parents had the Torinio 390? His folks also had a '69 LTD and it had a 429. Was only a 2bbl. Still, I'd always wondered why the car didn't perform better given the displacement.


The Boss 429 for the street had a hydraulic cam, single 4-bbl carburetor, it was 'corked up' at the factory most likely (again, IMHO) to prevent any rich kids from wrapping themselves around telephone poles and bringing down the wrath of the already hostile insurance companies regarding performance cars. That's just my take on it. The 429 was actually a de-stroked 460 Lincoln engine (known as the '385' series due to the crank stroke of 3.85 inches), the 429 had a stroke of 3.59 which made it capable of high revs and the rocker arms were independently mounted, unlike the shaft configuration of the 390-427-428 'FE' series.

' In fact when the car was only 3 months old, *Gordy* would put the thing in Neutral on 124th Street, let'er roll down the hill backwards & then slam it in Drive. We'd watch the tires smoooooooke. Thought it sooooo cool. 'Til one day his old man, "Virgil", LOOKED at <2K bald tires!! I was there, Virg slapped Gordy in the head so hard it sounded like someone socking a watermelon BWWWWWWHAAAA!! ~Another story for another time. LOL!!

"Never mess with a man named Virgil" - Virgil 'Gus' Grissom. lol

Bingo, my friend.
Your analysis sounds frightfully similar to how that car performed. It *should've* been hell on wheels, but wasn't. The strange --albeit well meaning-- kid who built it simply didn't understand the big picture as you've described. Osmond...& I *ain't* talkin' 'bout Donny. LOL


Donny got a bad rap I think, but I could picture Marie in a NASCAR jump suit, Whoo hooo! lol

... the Holley 780 was probably the best all around carburetor ever made..."
Have one on my '80 L48 Vette, it is a great all-round carb. Too bad I don't drive it much anymore, she just sits in the 3rd bay. Pity.


If you don't have one, I think you can still get the larger 50cc 'Reo' accelerator pump kit (factory Holley accelerator pump is only 30cc) with all sorts of little plastic 'cams' for the throttle shaft to allow you to adjust exactly 'when' the squirt hits the venturis, lol

"...but a properly tweaked and jetted Holley 600 would produce more horsepower (and vacuum secondaries were the way to go, not with mechanical linkage and all that 'double-pumper' nonsense."
Who at 16 would've thought that? Back then more was better. Now my other pal, "Hog Knees'", his '60 L-88 427 had a 950 double pumper. But that gas guzzling sow really needed the fuel.


Oh I would say so. I was always fascinated with the Holley 950 and 1050 cfm "3-barrel" carbs, instead of two rear secondaries, Holley just incorporated a great big flapper valve that flowed air and fuel like a fire hose, I finally picked up a 950 3-bbl about 10 years ago, and then never used it, dammit. Paid $200 for it from a guy advertising in Hemmings Motor News, had to sell it for $100 when money was a little tight, "that's the way it goes", lol

We know that NOW, but back then an auto was for old geezers!! THAT was before the old man brought home the Dart 340 w/ a 727 Torqueflite. Wow. I saw the light with that tranny. Tight as hell. Annnnnnnd *I* couldn't break it even when I tried. LOL!!

In my book, there were (and remain) three superior automatic trannys, the Chrysler Torqueflite, the Ford C-6 and the GM Turbo-Hydro 400, in that order. IMHO, those 3 transmissions will never be truly surpassed. (and in the 2-speed category, highly honorable mention for the GM PowerGlide, lol)

But even his stock 390 4bbl, which I'll guess was the 325HP version, wasn't all that swift.
"That 390/325 was a good solid motor but it wasn't much different than the run of the mill 390-4bbl that you would find in any number of LTDs, Country Squire & Sedan station wagons, etc. The 390 from the factory (by the end of the 60's) needed some work to deliver any kind of really decent street performance."

That'd explain it.
In the day all we were concerned with was cu in.

I was always a fiend for stroker kits, and for someone who did NOT have the budget for high dollar billet cranks and all that fancy stuff, there was always the tried and true "Speed-O-Motive" and they're still in business today!

http://www.speedomotive.com

"Sometime I'll tell you about this friend of mine who tried to turn his Dad's 4 door Oldsmobile into a 'race car'..."
Can't wait! LOL!!

I'll have to go dust off some dormant neurons and try to reconstruct that train wreck, lol

That's almost always the way it is, you never get out of a car what you put into it, I've only had that happen to me ONE time in my life, and that is a hilarious story I'll save for another time."
I got you on record, pal!!
You WILL tell that tale, y'hear? LOL!! ;^)

Oh I can tell that one right now. I was working for a government contractor in suburban Maryland and one of the computer engineers was driving a '71 Vega that literally died one morning on his way to work and he coasted into the parking lot from U.S. 29, I think if he had been armed, he would have shot the car to put it out of it's misery, lol - anyway, I had just that previous weekend picked up a '69 Mercury Marquis (with one of them notorious 429 2-bbls) for $100 bucks as a go-to-work/grocery-getter car. This guy (Chris) stood out a bit anyway, as he was into ballroom dancing and would kill two birds with one stone by wearing some of his dancing suits as business suits to work, a real stylish type in that Vega, heh-heh, ANYway, Chris asked me if I would sell him that car (and he had no idea what I paid for it), that he HAD to have a car and quick and had figured I wouldn't buy a car that wasn't reliable, and what did I want for it?

So off the top of my head, I said "$1200 bucks!" and he said "SOLD!" and proceeded to start pulling 100-dollar bills out of his wallet like some dancin' version of Monty Hall, and before I could say "wait a minute!" he said "you got a title?" I said "yeah, in the glovebox" and he said "let's go get it", and we proceeded to conclude the transaction right there in the parking lot, and he drove that damn Mercury for more than a year before he traded it in on something, I had a grand total of $100 invested plus tag and title and I was shaking my head. Fortunately for me, I was just about to ready to pull one Galaxie out of drydock and return it to service and that $1100 profit made that possible. And that was the ONLY time I sold a car and actually came out ahead. That won't happen again until Jesus comes back, I suspect.

Awfully cute kid, mk.
"I'm still trying to figure out where that kid ran off to, I keep thinking about that bumper sticker that says 'inside every 50-something man, is a 19 year old kid screaming 'WTF HAPPENED?!??!?'"
BWWWWWHAAAAAAAA!!!
For sure, man.
This growin' old crap STH ain't for sissies, like the old dame said.
Still, we got some fabulous memories & I for one wouldn't trade for anything for 'em. Honest. We laughed often and a lot and it didn't require any kind substance, whatsoever. Just *life*.


Right you are Brother, but getting old still sucks. I discover more aches and pains all the time but better to have the aches and pains than to wake up with a tag on your toe, lol

Explains your good bride buying you that model car...
"Well so far so good, she wanted to get a 2009 Dodge Challenger and I found myself arguing AGAINST it (what was I SAYING?!?), in favor of a low mileage Chrysler 300 (the older style before they went to the new 'box' design), I guess that makes me officially an OFBTW (Old Fart Behind The Wheel)"

Whaaaaaaaaaaaat???? You passed on an opportunity she who must be obeyed suggested???? OMG...
Now don'tcha think that's taking this "conservative" jazz a tad too far? LOL


No, it means that I'm helping to guarantee that SHE will be around long enough to take care of me in my old age instead of getting too enthusiastic with the go-pedal in that Challenger, lol

"Have a great evening Brother Landru, I may be a bit tied up for a while, trouble shooting a neighbor's computer and proving again that "no good deed goes unpunished", Later!"
Happy trails, my friend.
Ain no other place I be.
C'ya when you're finish gettin' abused. ;^)


Oh the abuse is just getting started. I arranged for this neighbor of mine to pick up a new PC from our local computer outlet, and I foolishly volunteered to transfer his data from his old Windows 98 (stop laughing dammit) system to an XP system, and it should NOT be this complex, I'm encountering XP-setup fatal errors stating that it can't "write to memory" and I'm beginning to think that it's the onboard VGA function on the motherboard that allocates main memory for the graphics, and then Setup comes along and can't find the memory it needs to complete installation but I'll figure something out.

I think it needs a bigger carburetor and a set of headers. ;)
628 posted on 10/22/2009 3:27:44 AM PDT by mkjessup (0bama can't appreciate for the thrill of a NASCAR race but Ronald Reagan did in '84!)
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To: mkjessup
"(yawn) 6:00 Eastern, I cannot believe I've been wrestling with this freakin' system all night except for about an hour's nap (groan)...Oh the abuse is just getting started. I arranged for this neighbor of mine to pick up a new PC from our local computer outlet, and I foolishly volunteered to transfer his data from his old Windows 98 (stop laughing dammit) system to an XP system..."

Win98 *to* XP??
Guess that'd rule out Win7, huh.
Let me count the ways I dislike uCrap. :^)

"...and it should NOT be this complex..."

The word *shouldn't* is the scourge of our times.
This I know. {g}

"I'm encountering XP-setup fatal errors stating that it can't "write to memory" and I'm beginning to think that it's the onboard VGA function on the motherboard that allocates main memory for the graphics, and then Setup comes along and can't find the memory it needs to complete installation but I'll figure something out."

Stupid suggestion born of empathy for your situation, but have you tried an uninstall-reinstall?
Well I didn't lie about the validity, so credit for intent counts for something.
Just know after beating my brains out for hours, sometimes days I'd start over & it'd work!!

Just keep muttering to yourself the ol' Confucius line, my friend: "He who does what he loves, never works a day in his life." LOL!!
Of course the old goat could afford to wax poetic, his time was 100s of years before computers. ;^)

"I think it needs a bigger carburetor and a set of headers.

There ya go, do pressure check the HD though. Could be a blowed computer. {Just teasing}

>Unreal, would you believe you're the FIRST person, Ford guy or otherwise who satisfactorily explained WTH all the Ford jargon meant insofar as the legendary 427 goes?? It's true, mk. It ain't so much I been living a lie, but I STH been believing one LOL!! Fascinating, beyond words.
"Wow. I'm kinda surprised and honored..."

As well you should be.

"...the Ford approach to high performance has never been a secret although a lot o' folks used to (and still do) hear or utter that infamous 'F-ound O-n R-oad D-ead' mantra and let it go at that, lol (I always countered that with 'F-irst O-n R-ace D-ay' and/or 'F-inest O-pportunity to 'R-ide D-ecently'"

HA!!
Yes, but you're a pAAAtizan!! LOL

>So tell me, you a Mechanical Engineer by any chance? Your in-depth knowledge/insight of the nuts & bolts, ability to explain in lay terms what all this historical Ford stuff meant is nothing short of remarkable.
"You again honor me, and I thank you. I am unfortunately not an M.E., just had a lifetime fascination with how things go together and how to tweak 'em, lol"

There it is, mk. I'm an electrical man. Controls the *specialty*; but, I never knew what'd drop in my lap, either.

It's no accident I chose the EE field, either. As far back as I can remember when and/or if I took something apart? It'd either never go back together, not work properly when it did and in both cases I always had spare aprts. Not good. Damaged my self esteem, so naturally I gravitated to theoretics.
So wouldn't you know it I wound up with a position in a department of Eaton Aerospace, called Specific Industrial Controls Division, the ONLY sparky among *15 ME gear-heads!! Was karmic revenge for past sins in a past lifetime, I reasoned. LOL!!

>If you're not a ME, work in the field in some capacity? It'd shock TS outa me. You STH could've easily written tech docs for anything I designed any time, better than I ever did!
Bullseye!

OK...your meticulous explanation of this mechanical, specifically Ford stuff, is the result of many years practice 8and* experience. And, it shows. ;^)

"One of my many incarnations in the work force was a technical writer, mostly in the computer support field, I never had a degree or anything, it was a case of necessity being a mother, I had to document a data center (this was pre-PC days) and was forced to start from scratch with "enter the operations room and turn on the light switch" lol"

HA!!
Not unlike when I was interning, had to go into a heat treating operation, open 7' high x 8' long Hoffman cabinets full of relays chattering away. They wanted it converted to CCCO, ie PLC ladder logic. It mattered not no one had maintained the docs, EWDs and that was if I was lucky!! Many times the map pouch in the door was empty.

You mention your lack of "formal education".
At one gig with Square D Automation Products I designed the darned systems. "In house" stuff where the client was using our Square D Symax gear?

After completed I'd turn over all notes etc to the company's "Tech Writers". When it came back I swear deciphering Egyptian hieroglyphics was easier, never-mind some electrician at the site & after the sale trying to make sense of it all.
I calmly went down to the Tech writers office area, think a cubicle city not unlike a prairie dog town?
Probed the really nice guy who produced the mess, and lo' & behold mk, he was an English major from Notre Dame.
Good grief.

By the time I finished editing the thing it was usable, but ol' Landru left the guy's name on the doc.
Hope St. Pete takes the act of kindness into account when my time comes; which, I understand is *somewhat* presumptuous? LOL
Anyway, moving on...

[regarding 427 'cross bolting'] That, is simply amazing. The crank had to be held stiffer than a two peckered billy-goat in such a fashion. Honestly, you've given me totally new insights into what the Ford engineers tried accomplishing, as such I have gained a new respect for Ford I never in my life had.
"LMAO, I never saw a two peckered billy-goat until after the election of '92 when that hyper-libido'd Emperor Billigula started sliming up the Oval Office, what an SOB he was."

Well obviously you never worked at Square D, you'd have seen a bunch of 'em standing around uselessly grazing.
Yea, ol' Clintigual, whatta guy.
~sigh~
Now those were the days, albeit not good nor old since we got us a hyper-model, now.

"I've always liked Ford's kinda (not always) direct approach, the one thing that gained my admiration was their putting the distributor in the FRONT of the engine instead of the back like GM (Chrysler was similar with front placement although they tilted the distributor on some of their engines (383?)"

Yes!!
That Ford did, and even moi remembers thinking it *different* while pretty handy. Of course I knew better to touch 'em regardless where they were. {review above}

"Speaking of, if perchance you've not seen that movie about the life of Ray Charles, 'Ray' with Jamie Fox, it is time well spent, the scene where Ray Charles is in the recording studio for the first take of 'Mess Around' is not only hilarious, it is one fantastic tune, a great 'road' tune!"

Hmmmm, really?
Well I have to admit Hollyweird *&* the Hollyweirdites so jaded me today I don't give anything they extrude a chance.
Of course I'll bet I'm one of the few people, conservatives anyway, who really enjoyed & still do the runt Spike Lee's bio, 'Malcolm X.'

Ol' Spike was too young to have learned how to lie properly. As such & in his effort at being as real as possible provided valuable insight into the "Black" experience & particularly The Nation of Islam.
Boy they must regret that film every bit as much as 'Network'. LOL

"IMHO, the most stupid thing NASCAR ever did was to introduce carburetor restrictor plates. And among the greatest racers, mechanics and crew chiefs of all, was Henry 'Smokey' Yunick..."

Oh my, one of the great names of all time insofar as NAZZZZZCAR goes. -IMO, of course. Whatta man.

"I actually visited his 'Best Damn Garage in Town' in Daytona (this was in the last couple of years before he closed it in '87) and one thing I burned into my memory was something he said about when a driver is headed for an accident, i.e. (paraphrasing now) "when a driver sits back in the seat with his arms extended TO the wheel, and is comfortable, he's not going to wreck."

Old Iron Head drove like that, arms fully extended. I miss that man, his kid's been a lost soul ever since he unnecessarily had to leave this world.

"But when he starts leaning forward, getting up on the wheel, tensing up, the clock is ticking on him" and I believe (not sure now) that he said that about the famous Fireball Roberts (Yunick was his crew chief, put him 'on the pole' THREE times), before Roberts crashed and died in '64."

And of course one sees drivers hunched up on the wheel all the time, these days. Naturally, lots of wrecks, too. LOL

"OK, so how many of these H/M cars were really made? Are you saying all the "429 Boss'" built weren't of the same pedigree?
"I'm not exactly sure how many H/M cars were built, I know that the total number of Boss 429 Mustangs was 1358, with NASCAR requiring that 500 of them be sold to the public to qualify them for the racing circuit, so I'd go out on a limb and say that Holman Moody probably worked over MOST of them, as they were the official Ford go-to guys for NASCAR, their famous 'Competition Proven' logo was said to be worth at least an extra 10 horsepower if you had one on your car."

HA!!!
*great* marketing before marketing became a weapon. LOL

>Is that move what was behind Richard Petty leaving Ford the one & only season he switched?
"Actually Petty switched to Ford for that '69 season because Chrysler refused to give him a more aerodynamic Dodge Charger for NASCAR, wanted to keep him in the Belvedere/Road Runner body which had all the aerodynamics of a brick."

Amen, very true indeed. Pre-aero HP days.
Still I *loved* the styling, still do.

"Petty announced that he would accept Ford's offer to race their new Torino instead, and pissed off everyone in both Chrysler AND Ford camps, lol (part of that might have been that the Petty team basically had nothing to do with Holman Moody, which was kinda like the Israelites deciding to head for the Promised Land but leaving Moses behind with the Egyptians."

Good analogy; however, with Ford's "fastback" it sure served to motivate CC to make the required change(s); hence, the "new" Charger and later the winged cars.

"The Boss 429 for the street had a hydraulic cam, single 4-bbl carburetor, it was 'corked up' at the factory most likely (again, IMHO) to prevent any rich kids from wrapping themselves around telephone poles and bringing down the wrath of the already hostile insurance companies regarding performance cars."

Ain't that the truth, insurance companies were getting progressively surly, brought pressure on our august pols to do *something*. Not too long after, the Arabs decided to squeeze the begebbers outa the American driving public visa vi jacking prices to the moon. Odd that, the timing? Soooo remiscent of 2008's "meltdown", another catastophe delivering desired results? Nawwwwww. LOL

"That's just my take on it. The 429 was actually a de-stroked 460 Lincoln engine (known as the '385' series due to the crank stroke of 3.85 inches), the 429 had a stroke of 3.59 which made it capable of high revs and the rocker arms were independently mounted, unlike the shaft configuration of the 390-427-428 'FE' series."

Fascinating.
Gonna drive me to drinkin' if ya don't stop driving that hotrod Lincoln...OK, that was a while before. Granted.

>In fact when the car was only 3 months old, *Gordy* would put the thing in Neutral on 124th Street, let'er roll down the hill backwards & then slam it in Drive. We'd watch the tires smoooooooke. Thought it sooooo cool. 'Til one day his old man, "Virgil"..."

"Never mess with a man named Virgil" - Virgil 'Gus' Grissom."

HA!!
Same name, very different man. LOL

>& I *ain't* talkin' 'bout Donny. LOL
"Donny got a bad rap I think, but I could picture Marie in a NASCAR jump suit..."

Maybe so, but Donny never built Ford engines; while, the other Osmond, did. LOL
As for Marie, dressed in anything?
Go ahead, you first. :o)

>Have one on my '80 L48 Vette, it is a great all-round carb. Too bad I don't drive it much anymore, she just sits in the 3rd bay. Pity.
"If you don't have one, I think you can still get the larger 50cc 'Reo' accelerator pump kit (factory Holley accelerator pump is only 30cc) with all sorts of little plastic 'cams' for the throttle shaft to allow you to adjust exactly 'when' the squirt hits the venturis..."

And if you lived closer, we could enjoy a glass of Beam on the rocks & talk about it. Truth is the L-48's a pretty gutless mill. @ bolt mains vs. the L-82's anemic 4 bolt setup.

The car's a survivor, best left untouched which is why I saved the awful stock (Carter?) carb after replacing it with the 750.

>Who at 16 would've thought that? Back then more was better. Now my other pal, "Hog Knees'", his '60 L-88 427 had a 950 double pumper. But that gas guzzling sow really needed the fuel.
"Oh I would say so. I was always fascinated with the Holley 950 and 1050 cfm "3-barrel" carbs..."

First off, correction as I notice I mistyped the year, was a 1969. In any event at first Hog-knees was "King of The Hill", one of those kids whose parents gave him his own Mobile gas CC. Pretty heady stuff for those days.

But it wasn't long before Hog-knees Pa, owned a construction company, deep pockets, had the car sent to Jack Howe at The Corvette Shop located at that time wayyyyyy out on Mill Road.

Jack & Co were paid to removed the hi-rise manifold, that big carb & replaced it with something much smaller, though precisely what size I never did find out.

Salient point being even back then, when gas was ridiculously cheap, that car was expensive to operate.

And because the motor really was a race motor? The valve spring compression was out of this world. Only problem was, the engine had to be run hard, else those springs were prone to breaking. Naturally there was no such thing, then, as valve retainers so down into a cylinder it went & chewed the motor up horribly.

I know, it happened twice & once I was with Hog-knees on the freeway into downtown Milwaukee for an evening of fun & hijinks when it *sucked a valve*.
Yes deep pockets helped *if* one had to drive one of those Chevrolets.

"...instead of two rear secondaries, Holley just incorporated a great big flapper valve that flowed air and fuel like a fire hose, I finally picked up a 950 3-bbl about 10 years ago, and then never used it, dammit. Paid $200 for it from a guy advertising in Hemmings Motor News, had to sell it for $100 when money was a little tight, 'that's the way it goes""

Yes, play you pay. It hearkens back to your statement about losing money on parts et al and your firsthand experience, I reckon. ;^)

>We know that NOW, but back then an auto was for old geezers!! THAT was before the old man brought home the Dart 340 w/ a 727 Torqueflite.
>In my book, there were (and remain) three superior automatic trannys, the Chrysler Torqueflite, the Ford C-6 and the GM Turbo-Hydro 400, in that order. IMHO, those 3 transmissions will never be truly surpassed. (and in the 2-speed category, highly honorable mention for the GM PowerGlide,)"

Ooooo, now *that* one's an oldy. '53 Corvette came with nothing but to handle that 150HP from the Blue Flame Six! LOL
I should laugh, as awful a car as they were imagine having a copy, today?

"I was always a fiend for stroker kits, and for someone who did NOT have the budget for high dollar billet cranks and all that fancy stuff, there was always the tried and true "Speed-O-Motive" and they're still in business today!"

Yes, but you were a real mechanic. You've forgotten more than the fresh ME grads know, and that's no lie. I wonder WTH you're not working in the field, building race motors etc. The modern electronics really aren't a big deal; in fact, I dare say the technology affords much more flexibility to the "Tuner".

"Sometime I'll tell you about this friend of mine who tried to turn his Dad's 4 door Oldsmobile into a 'race car'...I'll have to go dust off some dormant neurons and try to reconstruct that train wreck..."

BWWWWHAAAAA!!
I understand, was one of those tales, huh.

>You WILL tell that tale, y'hear?
"Oh I can tell that one right now. I was working for a government contractor in suburban Maryland and one of the computer engineers was driving a '71 Vega that literally died one morning on his way to work and he coasted into the parking lot from U.S. 29, I think if he had been armed, he would have shot the car to put it out of it's misery, lol - anyway, I had just that previous weekend picked up a '69 Mercury Marquis (with one of them notorious 429 2-bbls) for $100 bucks as a go-to-work/grocery-getter car. This guy (Chris) stood out a bit anyway, as he was into ballroom dancing and would kill two birds with one stone by wearing some of his dancing suits as business suits to work, a real stylish type in that Vega, heh-heh, ANYway, Chris asked me if I would sell him that car (and he had no idea what I paid for it), that he HAD to have a car and quick and had figured I wouldn't buy a car that wasn't reliable, and what did I want for it?...So off the top of my head, I said "$1200 bucks!" and he said "SOLD!" and proceeded to start pulling 100-dollar bills out of his wallet like some dancin' version of Monty Hall, and before I could say "wait a minute!" he said "you got a title?" I said "yeah, in the glovebox" and he said "let's go get it", and we proceeded to conclude the transaction right there in the parking lot, and he drove that damn Mercury for more than a year before he traded it in on something, I had a grand total of $100 invested plus tag and title and I was shaking my head. Fortunately for me, I was just about to ready to pull one Galaxie out of drydock and return it to service and that $1100 profit made that possible. And that was the ONLY time I sold a car and actually came out ahead. That won't happen again until Jesus comes back, I suspect."

HA!!
Long time, I get it. LOL!!!

>This growin' old crap STH ain't for sissies, like the old dame said. Still, we got some fabulous memories & I for one wouldn't trade for anything for 'em. Honest. We laughed often and a lot and it didn't require any kind substance, whatsoever. Just *life*. "Right you are Brother, but getting old still sucks. I discover more aches and pains all the time but better to have the aches and pains than to wake up with a tag on your toe..."

HA!!
Boy, aches & pains and in body parts hereto not noticed.
I decided to challenge myself at 46, decided to pursue a Black Blet in a Korean form of Tae Kwon Do...kept me limber & the dogs of age at bay. Was working on my 2nd Degree when we moved [back] to WI. Closest studio teaching my form was in the center of Milwaukee's core. Yea, run by a 6th degree black guy named Eddie Murphy.
Go ahead, you laugh. LOL
Wasn't going to commute 60 miles *one* way 3 times a week and the fact I was *no* 'Bruce Lee' I had to stop so that was the end. Murphy moved to 76th (west) of the lake, but, too late. Have to be content practicing on my own, but it sure is easier having a moving target, or being one.
I know what'chu mean though, in any event.

>Explains your good bride buying you that model car...Whaaaaaaaaaaaat???? You passed on an opportunity she who must be obeyed suggested???? OMG...Now don'tcha think that's taking this "conservative" jazz a tad too far? LOL
"No, it means that I'm helping to guarantee that SHE will be around long enough to take care of me in my old age instead of getting too enthusiastic with the go-pedal in that Challenger..."

HA!!
Sounds like a great girl, mk.
She first worried 'bout you and now you, her.
The very essence of teamwork. ;^)

"Have a great evening Brother Landru, I may be a bit tied up for a while, trouble shooting a neighbor's computer and proving again that "no good deed goes unpunished", Later!"

Gotit.
Take care, sure hope you get this thing solved.

OBTW I pronounce this thread "Officially "Dead".
Means the dead thread group --a peculiar lot of thinned skinned individuals devoid any semblance of humor whatsoever -- should be along any time to feed off the carcasses of our dead words. LOL

629 posted on 10/22/2009 2:45:41 PM PDT by Landru (If you want to perform for 15 mins, 30 mins, 1 hour, 5 days, a YEAR! Call...)
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