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Obama leads 2012 Foes
Public Policy Polling ^ | Sept 24, 2009 | Tom Jensen

Posted on 09/24/2009 9:13:39 AM PDT by yongin

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To: yongin

you talk like you work for them. they are in NC

still interesting, even if it is biased. rotate responses, yes. this business must be hell now, with a cell phone culture. Huckabee ain’t going away I guess.

The crystal ball still is hinting at President Cantor. Makes no sense. Crystal ball, “you are coo-coo.” Pawlenty, what about him in the poll? ... has no national recognition yet amoung non-GOP.


41 posted on 09/24/2009 10:03:40 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT ("pray without ceasing" - Paul of Tarsus)
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To: yongin
621 people sampled from what part of the Country? Chapel Hill?

Statistically insignificant...

42 posted on 09/24/2009 10:04:51 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: yongin

Thanks for the ping.


43 posted on 09/24/2009 10:06:17 AM PDT by Al B. (Sarah Palin: Government "can't make you happy or healthy or wealthy or wise".)
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To: nutmeg
If Barack Obama had to stand for reelection today he'd win by as much as he did last year, if not more.
He leads Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, and Sarah Palin by anywhere from 7-15 points in hypothetical 2012 contests.

******* Depressing, if true...”*******

How so?
I wouldn't get myself into a state if I were you.
Now just take a deep breadth..and take your mind back to 2007..just a year before the elections. Who was a shoe-in to win the Republican nomination, far ahead of anybody else in the polls in the Republican primaries, and head of every Democrat in the polls to be president?
Yup. You guessed it. Good old Rudy Guiliani. What happened to him in 2008?
On the Democratic Party side, Hilary was so far ahead 0bama in the polls back in 2007, she needed a telescope to see him. Everyone had the nomination sewn up for Hilary.
Well in the real primaries, it didn't quite work out that way did it?
Look, if 0bama only beat a terrible candidate like McCain by 7%, at a time of a financial meltdown, which the 0bama campaign worked 24 hours a day to tie to the Republican Party, and at a time when Bush's approval ratings was at rock bottom levels, there is simply no way, 0bama is going to beat any Republican candidate in a real election, even today, by the 7-15% this poll is talking about, let alone in 2012.
Over the next year, the recession, job losses etc will be 100% 0bama’s baby. All the Bush economic negatives that helped 0bama win in 2008, will be the same economic negatives that are going to now help his Republican rivals.
2012 is till 3 1/2 years away. Just relax.

44 posted on 09/24/2009 10:07:42 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Huskrrrr

“621 American Voters”

What does that mean?

As opposed to a survey of FRENCH voters?

Does it include undocumented temporary Americans?

What kind of VOTER? Occasional, registered, likely, very likely, American Idol?


45 posted on 09/24/2009 10:10:44 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Deb; svcw
I’m waiting for George P. Bush. Yum.

Brilliant! Perfect example of why women shouldn't vote. Thanks for that!

46 posted on 09/24/2009 10:10:58 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Deb

> I’m waiting for George P. Bush. Yum.

Pedro? Yup. Now if the left says they wont vote for him, it’s our turn to say “racist” LOL


47 posted on 09/24/2009 10:13:50 AM PDT by max americana (i)
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To: yongin

[Sarah Palin polls the worst against Obama]

This is how they work when they are trying to pick our candidate for us. Just REVERSE the order they supply for us, the one on the bottom is the candidate they are most afraid of becoming our choice.


48 posted on 09/24/2009 10:14:08 AM PDT by RetSignman (Townhalls ..."We have seen the Patriots and they are us")
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To: subterfuge

Your welcome.


49 posted on 09/24/2009 10:17:15 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: cartervt2k

[Unfortunately for us, Obama hasn’t taken us to the bottom yet.]

Yup, we’ll see how people like Obama when unemployment is still above 10% two years from now and the banking system has crashed.


50 posted on 09/24/2009 10:17:52 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: yongin

This is a lefty polling group. Note they don’t tell you how ‘weighted’ their sample is. Nor do they tell you exactly what the questions were. Fact us verbage is everything ——the manner in which I ask the question often times determines the outcome


51 posted on 09/24/2009 10:18:13 AM PDT by the long march
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To: Deb

Have him at home. I don’t want ANY Bush AT ALL EVER to be elected to the WH. The conservatives and this country deserve better


52 posted on 09/24/2009 10:20:52 AM PDT by the long march
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To: subterfuge

LOL
I don’t know if I’d vote for GP Bush but I sure will look at him! ‘->


53 posted on 09/24/2009 10:25:21 AM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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To: yongin; techno; Dead Corpse
BTW, the key to this month's results for PPP is that Obama's Fav/Unfav among Independents is 52/40. This is substantially different from 3 other recent polls. Techno has the numbers if he wants to post them.

PPP lost credibility with me when they openly changed their sample last month in favor of a sample heavily weighted with college grads/post grads. I guess their numbers March through July showing Palin with a steady rise got to them. At least they admitted what they did. I give them that.

'Dead Corpse' may be on to something. PPP probably trolled down Franklin Street taking this poll.

54 posted on 09/24/2009 10:25:37 AM PDT by Al B. (Sarah Palin: Government "can't make you happy or healthy or wealthy or wise".)
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To: the long march

Figures. All it takes is constant media trashing for the weak-minded to fall in line. I bet you think infomercials are documentaries.


55 posted on 09/24/2009 10:25:46 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Diogenesis

Totally. Romney IS Barth Gimble and a pure RINO. OUT! No more RINOS!!!!


56 posted on 09/24/2009 10:29:37 AM PDT by HarryCrowel
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To: faucetman

Yeah, this really stinks of biased sampling.


57 posted on 09/24/2009 10:30:50 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: RetSignman
[Sarah Palin polls the worst against Obama]
This is how they work when they are trying to pick our candidate for us”

From the article:
“Hard to say why she's seeing so much droppage during a period when she's been mostly out of the public eye but it all adds up to her trailing Obama 53-38”

My own theory (for what it's worth), is that she has been completely out of the public limelight since she resigned, no interviews or no public appearances. It's kinda "out of site, out of mind" thing.
But even with no public appearances, her Facebook postings and WSJ article have had more effect than that of any Republican politician in the health care care debate.
She is working on the long term project of winning in 2012, using her time now to bone up on all the tough issues facing the country, and burnish her foreign policy credentials. When she finally emerges back into the public, it will be a stronger, tougher, better informed, harder to beat Sarah.

58 posted on 09/24/2009 10:34:12 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: RetSignman

http://race42008.com/2009/09/20/is-iowa-a-must-win-for-huck-and-sarah/

“Northern Republicans are especially quirky and somewhat more conservative than their fellow New Englanders, they are also naturally disinclined to accept a Huck or Sarah for cultural reasons, and will probably be even more disinclined to accept them once they start showing their red-state chops in an attempt to best one another in Iowa. Further, the 2012 New Hampshire primary will be filled with anti-Obama independents, and independents like wonkery and sobriety, and Romney has the latitude to convey that this time around given his position as Establishment Candidate”

BUT!:

“Don’t forget that NH chose Buchanan in 92 and they are notoriously stubbornly independent. If we see the movement getting increasingly populist, I would not be surprised to see Gov. Palin run very strong there. There is a long anti-establishmentarian streak there and Mitt, being the establishment surrogate shouldn’t assume he will coast”


59 posted on 09/24/2009 10:36:50 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT ("pray without ceasing" - Paul of Tarsus)
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To: yongin
Phew, boy it's a good thing that we don't have Presidential Elections every 8-1/2 months.

This poll has a fudgefactor of plus or minus total irrelevance.

60 posted on 09/24/2009 10:38:59 AM PDT by wbill
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