Interesting comments, questions and responses by Donofrio on this update:
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da verg Says:
September 24, 2009 at 9:45 am
didn’t Andy Martin try the same case, if not, what is different?
tyvm
go Leo !
GL
[Ed. No. Nobody has accomplished anything like, but hopefully others will get to work making UIPA requests based upon this work. Also, these opinion letters have never been cited in the blogosphere. But more important, TerriK figured out that the Vital Records must include multiple entries and then she forced official responses which confirm there were amendments and/or corrections to his vital records. There is much more to come.]”
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Nellie Says:
September 24, 2009 at 10:01 am
As I understand it, then, it was illegal for Fukino to publicly VERIFY the information contained in the vital documents but required for her to report what records they actually have on him – including requests to see his documents and any amendments to the documents. So she broke the law by doing what was prohibited (making public specific information in a confidential document a week before the election) and by not doing what she was required (revealing when Obama did or didn’t request his COLB or amend his documents, for instance).
Do I understand that correctly?
[Ed. Not exactly. This is not going to be answered in comments right now. Stay tuned. Of course, it’s possible she broke the law, but I don’t believe that’s what happened as to her statement of July 27, 2009. I believe she may have otherwise broken the law, but not as to that statement]
If so, this is very, very serious.
Do I also understand that the Hawaii laws basically say that anything the government makes a public statement about they have to be able to document to the public?
[ed. not exactly. any info they did collect and maintain must be made public upon a UIPA request and there are no exceptions according to the OIP opinion letters.]
So if Fukino says Obama was born in Hawaii she has to show the documentation for that statement? And if she says he is a natural-born citizen she has to show all the documents she used in determining that – including the non-redacted items on a birth certificate which show parentage and birthplace?
[ed. I believe that is absolutely correct and we are proceeding on that basis.]
If so, wow. Obama’s been hiding behind laws that don’t exist. Fukino’s been making up laws that don’t exist. There is no confidentiality for Obama’s birthplace or parentage now that Fukino has made her public statements.
[Ed. And that’s according to OIP Opinion Letter 07-07 written in 2007.]
The documents which do or don’t prove her statements are required to be public.
If I’m understanding this, it turns this whole issue upside-down. There’s no way Fukino should get out of this unscathed. All of Obama’s original documents showing his mother, father, and place of birth must be made public.
[Ed. Everything will now be turned upside down. Nellie, you seem to understand the issues. Thank you for a well reasoned comment. The whole time before was a period of researchers grasping in the dark. We’re putting some light on the Hawaii disclosure laws and I like what I see. I believe we will force the public disclosure of these documents and put this past us as we move towards the genuine legal issue of his British birth. Now that we know how to operate within the various statutes, they won’t be able to keep everything hidden. ]
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Note this: ***[Ed. No. Nobody has accomplished anything like,
but hopefully others will get to work making UIPA requests based upon this work.***
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By”others,” does he mean the general public?