Posted on 09/15/2009 8:26:35 AM PDT by aic4ever
What everyone on the Right, including the Neoconservative Right, must acknowledge is that the idea of "spreading democracy" is just as socialistic, if not moreso, on a global scale, as is nationalized healthcare on a country-wide scale.
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Jeepers, Mr. Kroenke, next time simply type “No Blood (or $) for Oil” and be done with it . . . .
What is the two differences between “corporate greed” and “government greed”.
1. Corporations pay taxes............government spends taxes.
2. Who has the most money?
Yeah, I don’t ever recall a corporation being able to print their own money...I mean they could, but you get my point;)
Actually, I take the view point of this; He’s Right. Whether you want to hear it or not, he is right.
It is unfortunate that so many of us do not ask the same questions that this person has asked.
I will qualify what I just said above with I was all for going into Afghanistan and Iraq before it happened. I too, have not foreseen how things were to come out in the way they have. Yes, we may gain allies, but we may also generate more enemies (Iran). We have allowed our government to funnel money away from our pockets and to an economic (or national interest) that they see as better fitting. Remember, our Founding Fathers told us to “never go looking for monsters.”
Yes, there are a lot of ideals with which we must weight against the geopolitical landscape, but at what cost? I don’t agree with all of his points, but since when has it become our duty to free every oppressed people? Yes, I’m aware of the argument of WMDs in Iraq, and I still think that we should have carpet bombed Afghanistan. They want us to leave them alone, we want the same with some free trade opportunities. That doesn’t mean that we need to be the world’s liberator.
It’s just a devil’s advocate argument, and it is one that is damned important to make. Last I checked, no republic or “empire” is ever crushed by an attack or it’s enemies; it always falls from within from a lack of fiscal control.
One sentence in, and I find at least 4 issues already...
1. We are not a democracy. We are a representative republic. There isn't a single democractic nation on earth, and hasn't been one for quite some time.
2. We "spread democracy" primarily diplomatically. There are discos in Bangladesh, and it's not because we sent the Marines in to force them to accept Western Culture. In the case of Iraq, their Constitution was put together by Iraqis, and contains quite a bit that would bother most Western Constitutional scholars.
3. Spreading Freedom does not diminish its quality, value, effectiveness, or availability. Socializing medicine most certainly does. Economic freedom quickly and effectively increases wealth. (Go talk to China.) Socializing vast sectors of an economy quickly and effectively stagnates (and often decreases) wealth and increases prices (when subsidies are properly factored in).
4. Isn't telling close to half of the voters what they "must acknowledge" a bit tyrranical?
Liberals "thinkers" really seem to just throw words at the wall, and see what makes sense to a few other Lefties.
LLS
Hey, economic cost benefits can be applied to anything, including foreign conflicts, engagements, wars, ect.
What would have been better spending? Over seas fighting, or using the National Guard, Army Corp of Engineers, ect to secure both Northern and Southern borders, and round up the “enemy combatants” that were here on our soil first before seeking them out over seas?
See the point? Those terrorists hate us for our freedoms, our religions, and our interventionist policies (some of which I support and some I don’t). The point is, we claim to want control over OUR country (and we’re doing something about it) but shouldn’t we want the same for anyone else, in that they find it upon themselves to be responsible for their own liberty?
LLS
Kroenke apparently believes “self determination” and “socialist overlords” are compatible ideals.
Absolutely correct, they can . . . but not to the exclusion of other factors, such as foreign policy considerations, etc.
If you begin, as this writer does, with the premise that there is no benefit to having a NATO base in Germany, only a cost, then the "economic" analysis is flawed.
You missed the point!
That question isn’t about spreading Democratic Republic ideals; it’s about spreading them through the use of the armed forces, in areas that “need a helping forceful hand” to accomplish it.
No one denies that we shouldn’t be the “shining beacon on the hill” for the rest of the world, but one must question whether the continued use of force is a smart and economically prudent idea.
After all, the USSR succumb to rust because it couldn’t pay the men to maintain their weaponry. See the point?
Bingo.
LOL. You get it. No, I’m not about to say that we give up our strategic assets; that would be plain dumb. The question is, is our current force plan economically prudent?
Remember, the model was given to the Victor Charlies back in the 60s, all you have to do is outlast the sleeping giant, as you can bankrupt them far easier than you can defeat them.
And yes, the world is better without a political despot that was seeking WMDs. Iran would be better for the world made into a glass parking lot. I’m sure a few ICBMs with MRVs would be a lot cheaper than a ground war, but that’s not rational or a good outcome either.
Senate elections are a redistribution of wealth.
1. Donors contribute to the campaign.
2. Campaign spends money on radio, TV, and print ads (MSM).
3. Incumbant wins.
4. In two years, another round of Senators begin step 1.
Senate elections are a continuous flow of campaign money from donors to the MSM.
-PJ
Funny, I recall the Third Reich and Tojo's Japan falling precisely from enemies crushing them.
Good point, but they were overly aggressive, and force people to fight them tooth and nail.
My main point is, we are setting ourselves up to be Rome or the USSR, who just can’t maintain their realistic money supply.
I am with you FRiend.
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