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To: naturalman1975
"It looks real because it's a modified copy of a South Australian birth certificate in standard format of Australian birth certificates in general."

That's a weak arguement. So my certified copy of my Certificate of Live Birth from a hospital in California from 1950 looks similar, but could have been "modified"? Not possible.

Most hospital generated BC's have become pretty much identical over the decades and throughout the World.

The pertinent parts are: Hospital name; attending doctor or midwife (with signature); registrar name & date (with signature); and stamp of registration. Without those, everything else can be fraudulent, as has been tried to passed of as a CERTIFICATE. People forget that that simply computer generated document was a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth that Hawaii issued to anyone who wanted verification of ANY live birth.

Also, the Hawaiian authority said she had seen and verified a genuine copy of Obama's live birth. She did not say, nor has anyone else, said he was born in Hawaii.

Some of us may be reaching for straws to get rid of this Marxist, but why is he spending so much of his own money, not to mention having the AG Holder fight the release of his long form BC? And why won't this guy let us see his college records? No one knows anything about this present other than his co-written books, which anyone can write.

All that aside, obambi's history and associations are all about the most radical leftist, and yes, communist, associations.

This guy is simply another smooth-talking clinton type scum trying to push his communist agenda on us. Even clinton wasn't this radical.

Think Chicago. That's where he comes from - that's where he built his support. Have you ever seen the video excerpts of him supporting ACORN and such when he was running for Illinois state senator?

Bush was probably one of the most un-articulate presidents we ever had, but at least walk his talk, although he allowed to much socialism to progress.

Obambi is probably THE most articulate president we've encountered in decades, but what is his walk? Socialism. Marxism. Totalitarianism. I don't give one shit the color of his skin - he is killing our Nation (with the help of Reid and Pelosi).

38 posted on 09/15/2009 3:15:41 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever !)
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To: A Navy Vet
Obambi is probably THE most articulate president we've encountered in decades[…]
That would still be Reagan. He didn’t even need a teleprompter.
42 posted on 09/15/2009 3:20:19 AM PDT by cartan
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To: A Navy Vet
That's a weak arguement. So my certified copy of my Certificate of Live Birth from a hospital in California from 1950 looks similar, but could have been "modified"? Not possible.

Most hospital generated BC's have become pretty much identical over the decades and throughout the World.

First of all, please read my reply at #45, as well as reading this, because there's a lot of information there that is relevant here as well.

First of all, the Bomford certificate is not 'hospital generated'. Nor would the alleged Obama certificate be 'hospital generated' if somehow it was genuine. That's not how it works in Australia, and the language on the alleged Obama certificate indicates it wouldn't be how it worked with that certificate either, if it were genuine which I assure you, it is not.

Secondly, while I agree that a lot of birth certificates around the world are similar, they are not identical. The Bomford certificate is however, identical to a South Australian birth certificate of its period. Not just similar, identical. No other birth certificate from any other place in Australia or from another time period in Australia looks identical to that one (let alone ones from other countries). Very similar at times, but not identical.

That image there shows five Australian birth certificates (including the Bomford one at 4) as its first five images. Number six is an English birth certificate, number seven is Canadian, and number eight is Rhodesian.

The Bomford birth certificate shares similar features to the other Australian certificates because it is one. It's not identical because they do change from state to state and from time to time, somewhat. But the basic format which is laid down in Australian law (not Kenyan law, and not British law) has been consistent for at least five decades.

The pertinent parts are: Hospital name; attending doctor or midwife (with signature); registrar name & date (with signature); and stamp of registration. Without those, everything else can be fraudulent, as has been tried to passed of as a CERTIFICATE. People forget that that simply computer generated document was a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth that Hawaii issued to anyone who wanted verification of ANY live birth.

I have absolutely no argument with the idea that Obama's Hawaiian certificate might be a fake, or that even if its real it proves nothing about where it was actually born. I know virtually nothing about Hawaiian birth certificates, and I'm not in any position to say anything at all about them.

What I do know quite a lot about is Australian birth certificates, and I also know a fair bit about those from other Commonwealth nations. And the Bomford certificate looks exactly like what it's supposed to be.

I'm not saying Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States, because I've no way of assessing that claim. I'll leave that to others to do, but I am perfectly prepared to believe that it's possible he was born outside the United States and that a genuine document may be found at some point that proves that he was. But this alleged birth certificate is not that document, it is a pretty obvious fake to anybody who has dealt with Australian birth certificates over any period of time.

What concerns me is that if people are taken in by a patent fraud like the alleged Kenyan certificate based on the Bomford certificate, it's going to make it much easier for them to be discredited even if they are right about other documents in the future. I don't want to see that happen. I don't want to see genuine evidence discredited because people believed a fake in the past. I can understand why initially people latched on to this alleged Kenyan certificate. I clicked on the threads myself in the hope I'd see something that could potentially remove Obama from office. But the instant I saw it, I realised that this looked like an Australian certificate, and while I initially wondered if it was possible Kenya had adopted a similar form, research rapidly showed me that this was not the case. This is a modified South Australian certificate. It is based off the Bomford certificate - to what extent I'm not sure. I don't know if a few details were just photoshopped, or if the fraud was more sophisticated than that. But the Bomford document was used as a template.

59 posted on 09/15/2009 3:44:05 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: A Navy Vet
She did not say, nor has anyone else, said he was born in Hawaii.

Actually she later stated that she had "seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i"

Source: Hawaii Dept. of Health

214 posted on 09/15/2009 1:50:22 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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