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Factcheck.org non-facts indicate Kenyan citizenship for Obama
Naturalborncitizen Blog ^ | 2 September 2009 | Leo Donofrio

Posted on 09/02/2009 10:07:39 PM PDT by Spaulding

As far as I can tell, President Obama himself never publicly stated during or after the election that he isn’t a Kenyan citizen.

In a now famous report, Factcheck.org, in response to a story originally published in The Rocky Mountain News, attempted to lay rest to allegations that Obama was currently a Kenyan citizen. In that report, Factcheck.org. stated that Obama had been a Kenyan citizen up until August 4, 1982 when they allege Obama’s Kenyan citizenship expired.

Obama republished – at his web official site, Fightthesmears.com – only that part of the Factcheck.org analysis which stated that the President was a British citizen at birth. Obama republished this word for word thereby admitting the truth of the following assertion:

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children…

The question arises as to why Obama didn’t republish the full article by Factcheck.org concerning his various foreign citizenship issues. Perhaps by placing a link on his page – just above the quote above – back to Factcheck.org, Obama intended to endorse all of the conclusions made by Factcheck.org in the report....

FACTCHECKING Factcheck.org

Obama’s failure to endorse all of the Factcheck.org report inspired me to investigate whether all of the information presented therein was accurate.

I can now report that it has been conclusively established – the Factcheck.org report contains false information. Two inaccuracies have been discovered.

Factcheck.org – Inaccuracy #1: President Obama’s Kenyan Citizenship did not expire on August 4, 1982.

(Excerpt) Read more at naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; History
KEYWORDS: certifigate; citizenship; factcheck; kenya; obama
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Reading Kenya' laws carefully suggests that Barack Obama is likely still a citizen of Kenya, along with the British Commonwealth and Indonesia.
1 posted on 09/02/2009 10:07:40 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding
If this is accurate, then, it goes a long way to explain why all his school records from elementary school through law school and more are all under lock and seal. America has been duped and now we fight for the survival of our constitution.
2 posted on 09/02/2009 10:24:40 PM PDT by celtic gal (My Mob name is" Molly Maguire" per Hannity...we all need mob names !)
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To: Spaulding; All

Reading Kenya’ laws carefully suggests that Barack Obama is likely still a citizen of Kenya, along with the British Commonwealth and Indonesia.

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I don’t even think that you have to go that far ...

By his own admission, per proprius lacuna (by one’s own words), Obama has stated that he is or was a dual national now or at one time.

This should be enough to warrant an inquiry to the Supreme Court as to whether or not he is a natural born citizen ...

Under the Founding Fathers’ concept of natural born citizen, Obama is almost certainly NOT ...

I am taking the position that he WAS born in Hawaii (to satisfy the libs), AND that he was ALSO subject to the British Nationality Act of 1948 (which declared him to be a British citizen through his father’s British citizenship).

This NECESSARILY disqualifies him from assuming the office, since he IS NOT a natural born citizen ...


3 posted on 09/02/2009 10:29:08 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: null and void

ping


4 posted on 09/02/2009 10:37:22 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Navy blue)
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To: Lmo56
re: since he IS NOT a natural born citizen ...

And I suppose you are suggesting that somehow this detail is of some consequence to our country? </sarc>

5 posted on 09/02/2009 11:34:40 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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To: Lmo56
Of course you are correct Lmo56. Donofrio says the same. I gather he, like many others, has recognized that the courts and legislature are unwilling to take on popular sentiment - a requirement to asserting the rule of law. Popular recognition of multiple citizenships might be easier to understand, and wedge open some court to examine the State Department statutes being violated. With multiple citizenships in evidence it isn't far to multiple allegiances. The chief executive of our state department is bound by U.S. law to honor the laws of two, and perhaps three other countries. Obama is truly a citizen of the world. The legal ramifications of his multiple citizenships should help to illuminate the problems with his natural-born illigitimacy. If our citizens don't care, we are participants in the deconstuction of our constitutional republic.

Obama, with his czars and deemphasis of both the judicial and legislative branches, is following a road map closer to the British system, with no constitution, a House of Commons and House of Lords (Senate), and a combination King-prime minister, a bit like Hugo Chavez. I came across an analysis by Alexander Hamilton of the problems with the British system, and the reasons for the importance of Vattel’s interpretation of ‘natural law’. I can be windy, and get frustrated with long quotes in a blog, but will take the chance that some may appreciate Hamilton's essay:

Emmerich de Vattel’s text, “The Law of Nations” was crucial in shaping American thinking about the nature of constitutions.

To this day, Great Britain does not have a written constitution, but instead a collection of laws, customs, and institutions, which can be changed by either the Parliament or the monarchy, or by the ``Venetian’’ financiers who are the real power over the British Empire. Consequently, the British constitution remains to this day little more than a mask for the arbitrary power of the oligarchy.

The only place of appeal which the American colonists had for unjust laws was to the King's Privy Council. Attempts by the colonists to argue that actions by the British Monarchy and Parliament were unlawful or unconstitutional would be stymied, if they stayed within this legal framework which was essentially arbitrary. Although Vattel praised the British constitution for providing a degree of freedom and lawfulness not seen in most of the German states, his principles of constitutional law were entirely different from the British constitutional arrangements. Consequently, the American colonists attacked the foundation of the King and Parliament's power, by demanding that Vattel’s principles of constitutional law be the basis for interpreting the British constitution.

American writers quoted {The Law of Nations} on constitutional law, almost immediately after the book's publication. In 1764, James Otis of Massachusetts argued, in one of the leading pamphlets of the day, ``The Rights of the British Colonies Asserted and Proved,’’ that the colonial charters were constitutional arrangements. He then quoted Vattel, that the right to establish a constitution lies with the nation as a whole, and the Parliament lacked the right to change the fundamental principles of the British Constitution. Boston revolutionary leader Samuel Adams wrote in 1772, ``Vattel tells us plainly and without hesitation, that `the supreme legislative cannot change the constitution,’ `that their authority does not extend so far,’ and `that they ought to consider the fundamental laws as sacred, if the nation has not, in very express terms, given them power to change them.’|’’ In a debate with the Colonial Governor of Massachusetts, in 1773, John Adams quoted Vattel that the parliament does not have the power to change the constitution.

The adoption of a constitution, by the Constitutional Congress in 1787, based on Leibnizian principles rather than British legal doctrine, was certainly not inevitable. However, British legal experts such as Blackstone, who argued that the Parliament and King could change the constitution, were increasingly recognized by the Americans as proponents of arbitrary power. The early revolutionary leaders’ emphasis on Vattel as the authority on constitutional law, with his conception that a nation must choose the best constitution to ensure its perfection and happiness, had very fortunate consequences for the United States and the world, when the U.S. Constitution was later written, as we will see below.

Alexander Hamilton

6 posted on 09/02/2009 11:47:54 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: celtic gal

The fact that he has it locked and seal is the dead give away. At the very least he has terrible grades. According to Wayne Allyn Root (a classmate of Obama at Columbia) said everyone knew Obama had poor grades because it was rare in Columbia. Makes you wonder how Obama was accepted at Harvard? I am sure it was not his grades.


7 posted on 09/03/2009 12:35:23 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Spaulding
Can anyone remember the time before calculators, when we had to do the math ourselves?

A $10 document VS $1,000,000 in legal fees to hide the $10 document, to save a job that pays less than half that a year.

It don't pass the smell test let alone the math test!

Indonesian Go Home!


8 posted on 09/03/2009 1:30:47 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Ifanationexpects tobe ignorantandfree,inastateofcivilization,itexpects whatneverwas andnever will be)
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To: Spaulding
The rule of law has been subverted into a cult of personality.

It's clear that there are legitimate questions about the Kenyan Clown's natural born citizenship status.

Obama's failure to answer these questions in the most honest and forthright manner is profoundly corrosive. He should publish all of the documentation: original vital records, all passports both expired and current, and his citizenship or visa status he held for his long sojourn in Indonesia.

Instead of simply airing his case, he depends on the very weak reed of a cult of personality — a dangerous dependency on a personal popularity that has rapidly faded away.

This disrespect for our Constitution and for our populace is the most disgusting aspect of this loathsome presidency. Appointing open communists, attempting to indoctrinate our children into a personality cult, even his political decisions that threatening to destroy our social fabric and our defense capabilities, pale against the Kenyan Clown's fundamental contempt for the rule of law.

9 posted on 09/03/2009 3:05:34 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: Lmo56
per proprius lacuna (by one's own words)

Now granted it's been decades since I studied Latin, but doesn't this translate more like "through his own hole or missing space"? "Lacuna" most certainly does not mean "words."

10 posted on 09/03/2009 4:18:34 AM PDT by dorothy ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Shimmer1; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; BP2; MeekOneGOP; ..

Ping.


11 posted on 09/03/2009 8:15:07 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 224 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: dorothy
From lac nicus - few words.

Does this help? I couldn't find a clean etymology.

12 posted on 09/03/2009 8:27:28 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 225 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Spaulding

Well, Obama flunks the legitimacy test about 50 different ways. But I still don’t believe that he was born in Hawaii, either.

Actually, he could claim not dual, but quadruple citizenship. British, Kenyan, Indonesian, and American. But the last is dubious, since he was foreign born, did not qualify for natural-born citizenship, and never bothered to apply for it.

And it’s not known whether his parents were even married. If they were, it had to be in Kenya under Muslim law, since in America it would have been bigamy.

So he’s British, Kenyan, Indonesian.


13 posted on 09/03/2009 8:33:59 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: null and void

You may be right, but I can’t find it. Lacuna does normally mean a blank or an empty space. My Latin is also rusty at this point, but wouldn’t it be something more like verbum impsum?


14 posted on 09/03/2009 8:38:47 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Arggh. Verbum ipsum.


15 posted on 09/03/2009 8:39:11 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: null and void

Not really, since “lacuna” is a legitimate Latin word.


16 posted on 09/03/2009 8:55:20 AM PDT by dorothy ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cicero; dorothy
No idea. dorothy piqued my interest as I thought it might be the root of laconic.

I could be totally wrong (like that would ever happen!)

Never formally studied Latin, but have been fascinated by all the places English borrows from. (To use a preposition to end a sentence with)...

17 posted on 09/03/2009 8:58:14 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 225 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: dorothy; Lmo56

Take 2:

per proprius lacuna (by one’s own words)

is closer to:

per proprius lacuna (by one’s own failure to speak up)

In the sense that one can give tacit approval of something simply by allowing it to stand.

(Still guessing!)


18 posted on 09/03/2009 9:07:29 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 225 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void
Laconic means a person of few words, but I hadn't checked it's origins until you mentioned it. Interesting. This is from dictionary.com: Word History: The study of the classics allows one to understand the history of the term laconic, which comes to us via Latin from Greek Lakōnikos. The English word is first recorded in 1583 with the sense "of or relating to Laconia or its inhabitants." Lakōnikos is derived from Lakōn, "a Laconian, a person from Lacedaemon," the name for the region of Greece of which Sparta was the capital. The Spartans, noted for being warlike and disciplined, were also known for the brevity of their speech, and it is this quality that English writers still denote by the use of the adjective laconic, which is first found in this sense in 1589. Learn something new every day.
19 posted on 09/03/2009 9:11:59 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Sprite518
When I mention this or anything related to folks researching this man before voting for him or trying to talk about the risks of some particulars of the 0bama care etc I get this glazed over “OH PLEASE” look. I am shocked at how many apathetic people there are or how many don't care to look into this..I am so angry that people did not even bother to look in to this guy but were content to opine that Sarah Palin was too inexperienced to be VP. For crying out loud and this guy who never met a payroll is???
Now our republic is really in trouble, we are in danger of losing our constitutional rights.
20 posted on 09/03/2009 9:25:54 AM PDT by celtic gal (My Mob name is" Molly Maguire" per Hannity...we all need mob names !)
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