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To: marbren
I getcha. Not my own outlook, but I understand yours.

Karl Lowith has a book called Meaning in History, which explains how all the various 19th and 20th century ideologies looking for meaning in history are copying tropes from Christian theology. He has a wonderful line in that book that your remarks reminded me of. He says, "mankind cannot be saved because mankind does not exist".

He explains - mankind is an abstraction. Human individuals exist. To look for salvation in history is to look in the wrong place for what will never be found there. It is an individual, not a collective, matter.

FWIW...

143 posted on 08/26/2009 10:00:10 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC

Is there any way China could destroy our economy?


145 posted on 08/26/2009 10:03:39 PM PDT by marbren
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To: JasonC; Star Traveler
Hi ST, have you met JasonC? You are both brilliant people.

I am having a hard time trying to get my hands around his optimistic, pro Israel, pure conservative world view. He knows his economics. I even suspect he is a Christian. You both are leery of conspiracies. You both do not have approval needs. You both can respond in reasoned paragraphs in a few minutes. (This post has taken me about 20 minutes or so to write already)

Star Traveler I do not think you or I have discussed economics. I am not an expert. I would appreciate reading a discussion of JasonC's position with your wisdom involved. Do not get bogged down in economic theory. I am more interested if JasonC's world view is in line with our standard, God's Word. To me the issue is where do we put our faith.

148 posted on 08/27/2009 5:21:08 AM PDT by marbren
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