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To: mountainbunny; darkwing104; Old Sarge; BykrBayb; metmom

Mountainbunny, I am glad to hear that one of our posts engaged you to take action. While I am not going to speak for the author of the post, Autumn Orton is a away, I would like to respond to your well minded points.

Under normal conditions, I would have to agree with you. But with Obama, the Obama Presidency and the Chicago Administration, this has proven to be a completely different presidential cycle that any of us are really used to. Or can even recognize.

Obama is not a president. While he is the President of the United States, he looks as if he is acting to remove the structure of the Presidency and replace it with Obama. Obama, not President Obama, is a cult-of-personality. If you remember, back in 2004, the left tried to give Kerry a quasi-rock-star status, but that failed. With Obama, it looks as if he is drunk with all the popularity. And with that, his followers are mesmerized by his popularity. Can we say the Moonies. A blind following where the members do not question The One or his ways.

So knowing this, a child with an Obama hat, is not the same as a child with a Kerry hat or a Clinton hat. This, like the public schools, is an indoctrination into a cult following. Look at the actions taken by the administration. Have you seen the BarackObama.com website. Look at all the logos they have. They basically cover each type of mainstream lifestyle. Whatever you want, whatever you believe in, Obama is for you. Not President Obama, but Obama

Knowing what Obama, not President Obama, has been “preaching” what do you think this young child with the Obama hat is being fed instead of taught. What values is Obama espousing. President Obama is not espousing anything because he is to busy apologizing to everyone for America’s evilness. Once again, how is this the same from what Religion teaches. Religion, at least, has a fundamental basic value system it teaches. Even the mainstream Democrats have a fundamental value system they go by. It is just a shame the fridge took over their party, but this was bound to happen with the path they were on.

I believe your argument would have standing if The One wasn’t in office. But Obama is in Office. I do not see this as normal politics. This is politics taken to a different level. Not to be mistaken as being taken the “next” level. This is just a level where we have not seen or experienced in this nation.

Parents should be able to teach their children as they see fit. In today’s world, that is not the case. The public school system and mass media have taken over that job. The courts are working to provide children with indepence from the Parents when it comes to parental guideance. So for those who do not wish to think for themselves, what will they feed their children about Obama instead of teaching them about politics and what President Obama is doing.

Carlos Rafael Cruz
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14 posted on 08/23/2009 9:41:28 PM PDT by Addicted To LAW
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To: Addicted To LAW; wagglebee
Parents should be able to teach their children as they see fit. In today’s world, that is not the case. The public school system and mass media have taken over that job. The courts are working to provide children with indepence from the Parents when it comes to parental guideance. So for those who do not wish to think for themselves, what will they feed their children about Obama instead of teaching them about politics and what President Obama is doing.

Just who do you propose teach someone's children, if not the parents?

Whose responsibility does it then become?

That's the start of a slippery slope. Before you know it, *someone* is going to have to be deciding and approving what parents can teach their child about anything.

Wrong.

Passing on to your own children your own values is not abuse of parental authority, regardless of whether some stranger agrees with it or not. Thought control and intruding into parental rights is a liberal position.

25 posted on 08/24/2009 6:19:46 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Addicted To LAW
Nice argument....

I agree........

26 posted on 08/24/2009 6:25:59 AM PDT by Osage Orange (A community organizer cannot bitch when communities organize..... - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Addicted To LAW
The author of the column on your site stated that parents abuse their parental influence in allowing their child to be dressed in an Obama hat.

You respond with: I believe your argument would have standing if The One wasn’t in office. But Obama is in Office. I do not see this as normal politics. This is politics taken to a different level. Not to be mistaken as being taken the “next” level. This is just a level where we have not seen or experienced in this nation.

You respond with a very poor understanding of parental rights if this is what you'd like others to think passes as your reasoned opinion. Our rights as parents are not dependent on who is president or how much you like them. It has nothing to do with whether or not you see it as "normal politics" or not. Since it isn't your child, you have no right to have your opinion considered at all.

See, my children are not yours to raise. The kid with a hat is not yours to raise. Your kids are not mine to raise, which is why I don't care how you dress them, what church you take them too, or what you feed them.

You wrote: Parents should be able to teach their children as they see fit. In today’s world, that is not the case. The public school system and mass media have taken over that job.

That is complete and utter garbage. Parents can send their child to any school they can afford and teach them anything they like. And honestly, if you're so concerned with this "takeover" of parental rights, why are you arguing to take away a parent's right to dress their child as they like?

You seem very quick to jump on the "abuse" bandwagon, using the weaker-than-weak excuse that that this president is different. He may be different, but it still isn't "abuse".

Child abuse is punishable in the criminal court by jail time and in the family court by loss of the child. Beating a child is abuse. Starving a child is abuse. Sexually abusing a child is abuse. Abandoning a child is abuse. Neglecting a child is abuse. Putting a hat on a child is not abuse.

33 posted on 08/24/2009 12:04:09 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Mitt Romney: Would you buy a used car from this man?)
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