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IRS The New Health Care Enforcer
Legal Insurrection ^ | August 14, 2009 | William Jacobson

Posted on 08/19/2009 9:35:59 AM PDT by llevrok

People often joke that government-run health care will have the efficiency of the motor vehicle department, and the compassion of the Internal Revenue Service. This joke will become reality if present Democratic health restructuring proposals are enacted.

Under both the House and Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee bills released to the public, the Internal Revenue Service will play a key role in monitoring and enforcing health care mandates against individual taxpayers. Yet the introduction of the IRS into the health care system has received scant attention.

The Senate bill imposes a new requirement that all persons who provide health care coverage to others must file a return with the IRS listing the names, addresses, social security numbers, and the coverage period for each person, and "such other information as the Secretary [of Health and Human Services] may prescribe." (Section 161(b) starting at page 107). The bill does not limit what information the Secretary may request, so it is conceivable and likely that information as to the nature of the coverage, the family members included, and other details will be reported to the IRS.

The House bill contains similar provisions in section 401(b) (at pp. 175-176). The following information must be reported by the person providing health coverage: (A) the name, address, and TIN of the primary insured and the name of each other individual obtaining coverage under the policy, (B) the period for which each such individual was provided with the coverage referred to in subsection (a), and (C) such other information as the Secretary may require. This information is to be provided to the IRS for good reason. The House bill provides for a tax on people who do not have acceptable coverage at "any time" during the tax year. House bill section 401 provides for a new section 59B (at pp. 167-168) of the Internal Revenue Code: (a) TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of— (1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over (2) the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer. The Senate version is similar, although the tax is called a "shared responsibility payment" not a tax. Section 161 (at pp. 103-104) words new section 59B of the IRC to require lack of coverage for a month (subject to certain exemptions) before the tax kicks in, and does not specify a specific percentage, but instead, directs that annually the Secretary shall seek to establish the minimum practicable amount that can accomplish the goal of enhancing participation in qualifying coverage (as so defined). The reporting requirements can only be understood in this tax context. In order to know which taxpayers to tax, the IRS needs to know which taxpayers do not have coverage received from someone else (normally, an employer).

These reporting provisions would allow the IRS to cross-check income tax returns and health coverage filings, and withhold tax refunds or utilize other collection methods for persons who do not have coverage unless they can prove they have acceptable coverage from some other source. This is similar to the cross-checking the IRS does on income reported separately by the person making the payment and the taxpayer receiving the payment. But for the first time the IRS is not checking for income to tax, but for lack of health coverage.

These provisions should have people interested in privacy greatly concerned. While income information already is reported to the IRS, the IRS traditionally has not received personal health care information about individuals.

The IRS involved in health care monitoring and enforcement. Somehow, I doubt that most supporters of Democratic health care restructuring concepts will like this detail. But it's in there.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: bhohealthcare; donttreadonme; healthcare; irs; killthebill; obamacare; socializedmedicine

1 posted on 08/19/2009 9:35:59 AM PDT by llevrok
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To: llevrok; Taxman; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; PeteB570; FBD; ...
It's time to eliminate an organization that exists solely to control and punish people. It has become nothing more than a government supported thug. The solution has been before Congress since 1999. It's called The Fair Tax Act(HR25/S296). It will replace all federal income taxes with a national sales tax and abolish the IRS. Fair Tax ping! Click on the icons for more information.


2 posted on 08/19/2009 9:48:22 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: llevrok

The IRS will monitor.OK,I see whats up now!”A bunch of snoops coming to a town near you”.


3 posted on 08/19/2009 10:01:20 AM PDT by taxtruth (WE CAN'T AFFORD UNCLE SAMMY ANYMORE!)
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...


Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care PING LIST

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4 posted on 08/19/2009 12:09:00 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: llevrok
Somehow, I doubt that most supporters of Democratic health care restructuring concepts will like this detail.

I don't doubt it; I think it's all a part of the agenda.
5 posted on 08/19/2009 12:11:50 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: llevrok
These provisions should have people interested in privacy greatly concerned.

It should but probably won't...if the sheople were worried about privacy, then when they were screaming about The Patriot Act why weren't they including the IRS? We are forced by gun point to tell the IRS every detail of our lives...where we live, what we make, all bank account numbers and amounts, how much we have for retirement, stocks, homes, children, birthdays, SS #, college funds, college bills, mortgages, interest paid, interest made, jobs taken, jobs lost....endless list but yet we rush to give the IRS all our info. in the hopes we will get some of our own freaking money back! We should be marching to take down the IRS/joke of a tax code and to remove the power Congress wields over We The People, but instead we play their idiotic 10K page tax code game. Sometimes I think we deserve what we get.
6 posted on 08/19/2009 12:21:06 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: socialismisinsidious
More federal employees, expanding the IRS instead of decreasing it by adding in more responsibility to their job.

Makes me want to vomit.

What happened to HPPA? Now an entirely new group of people all over the federal government are going to know all of your healthcare details.

7 posted on 08/19/2009 12:26:53 PM PDT by MarMema (Marxism is never about truth, it is about power)
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To: llevrok

I think this would entail a doubling or tripling of the staffing of IRS and would be the excuse or piling more and more responsibilities on what would become the American KGB.


8 posted on 08/19/2009 12:27:30 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: MarMema
What happened to HPPA?

Excellent question. It wouldn't surprise me if there is some provision in the bill making the IRS exempt.
9 posted on 08/19/2009 12:50:10 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Man50D

Why even a Fair Tax? We should have NO Federal Taxes. The Constitution includes Corporate Taxes which will pay for our Military.

We should have Congress people who VOLUNTEER for the HONOR and get NO PERKS at all. No salary, no retirement, no health care. Their own STATES should provide this for them. This would insure ONE TERM Senators and Congress people. And repeal the 17th Amendment, reinstate Article 1, Section 3 of the US Constitution.

The STATES should tax for Education and their Guard (which should NOT be fighting overseas). And other State bills.

IF we do Fair Tax, it should be five percent across the board and NO MORE PAY FOR CONGRESS MEMBERS AND NO MORE BENEFITS.


10 posted on 08/19/2009 6:05:17 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: socialismisinsidious
We should be marching to take down the IRS/joke of a tax code

The Fair Tax would abolish the IRS.

The IRS spends $225,000,000,000 on average per year enforcing the income tax, and Americans spend 540,000,000,000 man hours every year preparing tax returns. All this and much more would be eliminated by the Fair Tax. What you earn, how you earn it, what you spend it on, how much you give to charity/church, etc, is none of the government's business, and the Fair Tax would not force you to divulge that information.

11 posted on 08/19/2009 7:18:06 PM PDT by epow (Luke 11:21 "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:")
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To: llevrok

This is the essence of this fraudulent “Healthcare” legislation...the only appropriate response is to unlock the 20th century shackles on the American economy...


12 posted on 08/19/2009 7:29:52 PM PDT by mo
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To: Man50D

We could stop hiding our property from the government.

Names Deal Cracks Swiss Bank Secrecy
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/20/business/global/20ubs.html?_r=1


13 posted on 08/20/2009 4:00:10 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: Man50D

thanks for the ping; bookmark


14 posted on 08/21/2009 8:20:32 AM PDT by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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