OBAMA KNEW HE WASN’T ELIGIBLE FOR POTUS

Give Me Liberty ^ | 8/12/09 | Lynn Dartez

[MHGinTN]

I believe that exchange is found on the long thread, a link I mean. I do recall the Keyes/Obama exchange, hearing it here at FR months ago. Perhaps Lucy T or BP2 will recall ...

[cynwoody]

Pravious,

I don’t know what your problem is, but perhaps you should consider posting a coherent thought. It makes it that much more interesting to the reader.

Thanks

LOL!

I thought it said Barry Soetoro on his BC.

Coherent thought, eh? How about a copy of this BC you mention?? Now that would cohere!

[El Gato]

Actually, BO looks like his commie grandpa

Yes he does. Particularly so in this picture of his maternal grand parents, taken from The Obama File:

This would have likely been taken in 1942. Stanley Dunham had joined the Army in June of that year. In the picture he's still a slick sleeve Buck Private (E-1), so it's likely this was either before he went to basic, or on leave after basic. If he was assigned to one of the several Kansas Basic Training posts, he could easily have visited on his way to advanced training or his unit of assignment. But it can't be too long after basic, and still not have the single stripe of a Private (E-2). Having been born in 1918, he would have been about 24 in the photo. The lighting or film processing makes him look darker, and thus more like his grandson.

[mojitojoe]

I honestly don’t have a clue who the father is. I highly doubt it’s Malcom X. I highly suspect it could be FMD due to the fact that Sr. never had anything to do with Jr. There weren’t may blacks on the island and since Sr. and FMD were both Marxists I assume they knew each other. I can see Sr, getting some sweet deals to take Ann off to have the baby and say it was his.

[El Gato]

Actually, BO looks like his commie grandpa

Yes he does. Particularly so in this picture of his maternal grand parents, taken from The Obama File:

This would have likely been taken in 1942. Stanley Dunham had joined the Army in June of that year. In the picture he's still a slick sleeve Buck Private (E-1), so it's likely this was either before he went to basic, or on leave after basic. If he was assigned to one of the several Kansas Basic Training posts, he could easily have visited on his way to advanced training or his unit of assignment. But it can't be too long after basic, and still not have the single stripe of a Private (E-2). Having been born in 1918, he would have been about 24 in the photo. The lighting or film processing makes him look darker, and thus more like his grandson.

[mojitojoe]

Darn, they sure do look a lot a like but I think X was better looking, much better looking, when he was older than zer0 is. Jr. is goofy looking. Look at this picture of him in Africa. Enlarge it and look how painfully thin he is. Keep in mind you photogragh 10 pounds heavier. Look at his arms. He says he works out everyday, but I don't know what he does because he has very little muscle at all.

[DaveTesla]

Like when the framers of the Constitution wrote the Federalist Papers to define their intent to New York and
other states to convince them to join the Union.

So did John Armor Bingham in the Congressional Globe regarding who was an American Citizen and who was Natural Born.

[shield]

Yes, Jr looks like his Mother his mother looks like her Dad. And Jr really looks like his commie gramps...probably more than any of the pictures of any of the men, people claim to be his father. It would be nice to know who is #%@% his father is.

[shield]

You are right. I long long ago dismissed X as the father.

[Lmo56]

Oh, but IMHO the framer (John Armor Bingham )of who
is an American citizen and the Citizenship Clause
also put who is Natural Born that in context as well.

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Very True ... thats why I included “amender’s intent” in my post - to include Bingham ...

Too bad a clear definition of natural born citizen never made it into the Constitution ...

The clause:

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President ...”.

would be better stated:

“No person except a natural born Citizen of two Citizen parents, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President ...”

Funny how four words could make ALL the difference ...

[El Gato]

Neither Dunham or Sr. has those lines on the side of the nose but Davis does

Grandpa Dunham most certainly did.

I don't know which guy supplied the few African genes, or even if Stanley Ann was really his mother, (without the B/C who can tell?), but it's pretty obvious that "Grandpa" Dunham supplied a passel of his genes.

[BIGLOOK]

Good that you remembered it too....A bad memory is a bad habit, something pols have in common.

Betcha Alan Keyes has it somewhere in his files.

[El Gato]

A territory is not a state, El Gato.

Never said they were, but rather that they were par of the United States, and a in way that the Philippines or American Samoa never were.

So you are maintaining that my former CO, born in the District of Columbia when his father was serving during Ike's administration (at a very low level) was not a "natural born citizen"?

[Wardenclyffe]

cynwoody,

Thanks for interjecting. My point was; I thought the reason Mr. 0bama refuses to provide a long form BC is because it might show his name as Barry Soetoro. However, it doesn’t really matter if it shows it as Bary Soetoro or Davis because he violated the law by placing the name “Barack Obama” on three ballots.

If you read my initial post you would’ve understood what the point was. Please go back and read it again.

Thanks again for your comment.

[El Gato]

Per the British Nationality Act of 1948 (which was the applicable law at the time): (1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth ...

It doesn't matter that British law considered BHO Jr. a citizen, what matters is that his father was not a citizen of the US, and owed allegiance to a foreign power. Which foreign power does not matter and neither does whether that power considers children of it's nationals to also be its nationals.

[mojitojoe]

Where is the evidence of the party they both attended? Do you have pictures or a link? There are so many theories, rumors and innuendos that could be thrown out there by the zer0 team, i want to just concentrate on things that can be proved at this point. If it’s not backed up with evidence, I’m going to disregard it.

[mojitojoe]

no comment on Canada

[RegulatorCountry]

Has there ever been a winner of a Presidential election, who was born in Washington, DC? Or, even a candidate? I’m unaware of one, if there has been, and there surely would be controversy and challenges, based upon a strict reading of the Constitution. Words contained within that document do have specific, legal meaning, as do the words in statutory law that is inferior to the Constitution. The clamor for statehood, for Washington, DC has always been about national elections.

[Lmo56]

It doesn’t matter that British law considered BHO Jr. a citizen, what matters is that his father was not a citizen of the US, and owed allegiance to a foreign power. Which foreign power does not matter and neither does whether that power considers children of it’s nationals to also be its nationals.

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Quite obviously - look at my post #84 ...

From Wheaton v. Peters (January Term 1834), Minor v. Happersett (March 29, 1875), Smith v. Alabama (January 30, 1886), and United States v. Wong Kim Ark (March 28, 1898):

SCOTUS has ruled that there IS NO Common Law in the United States, BUT it has ALSO ruled that Common Law ought to be consulted in cases where original intent necessarily needs to be construed.

Blackstone and Vattel are included in post #84 - describing what a natural born subject is and whether a natural born subject can exile himself from his natural allegiance ...

The British Nationality Act of 1948 is also included in post #84 - since Kenya was a protectorate of the UK at the time ...

BUT, it could have been ANY country ...

POINT BEING - a natural born citizen CANNOT owe allegiances to two countries. A dual national IS NOT a natural born citizen of EITHER country ...

[Fred Nerks]

hey, take it easy, I just posted some images, you make up your own mind, I’m not saying one way or the other.

And yes, Chief did a lot of excellent research. Only problem, he/she rarely provided links or sources. Guess what that makes it?

Opinion or hearsay. Sorry.