Posted on 08/11/2009 8:56:44 AM PDT by pissant
I’ve seen the explanation of why the rule doesn’t apply the way you mean, but darn if I can remember what it is.
I’m absolutely certain the law wasn’t intended to exclude from citizenship the child of an American young woman who had lived her entire life in this country, but happened to give birth while out of the country for a few months, simply because the young lady in question was a few months under a prescribed age. If it did, it would be a huge injustice.
I am way out on a limb here.
Remember how one of the rules of liberal warfare is to accuse the other side of what you are doing? The result is a cancellation of charges and the matter is dropped.
Remember how the Kos Krowd started the rumor that Bristol Palin was the real mother of Trig and that Sarah faked her pregnancy? Apparently there was a plot line in a soap opera that was similar.
The “who’s your daddy” issue has no traction because 70% of AA births are to unwed mothers.
And Stanley Ann Dunham had to be taught how to change a diaper weeks after she gave birth?
And granny raised BHO?
I am starting to believe that Granny is BHO’s mother from an affair with Frank Davis. The Kenya/Obama connection is a cover cooked up in 1960-61. Granny want to Kenya to give birth and then gave the child to Ann to raise as her own. Granny was not that old at the time, either.
The long form birth certificate probably has been amended through an adoption process to change the names on the COLB from Granny and Frank to Ann and BHO, Sr. The reaction from the Hawaiian officials seems more like they are covering an adoption mess than a NBC issue.
BHO is probably a NBC, but having your grandmother as your mother and your father being married with four kids and NO connection to Kenya makes for a chain of lies that is too embarrassing. Did he protest too much by writing his books (or hiring them out to be written?)
Just trying to connect the dots here...
Back to work.
Well, why not. first I’ve heard of this theory. LOL
I am trying to assume that the Hawaiian officials are not lying about there being no issues regarding BHO’s NBC status. Roll in an adoption and their awkwardly worded statements start to make sense.
Also, there must be a team of lawyers in Hawaii (and paralegals, secretaries, etc) that have looked at the issue and are protecting the Governor and the State employees from breaching confidentiality laws. No one has leaked the long form, so there must not be any fatal issues present.
Who knows, this all may be a way of distracting us.
I agree. I think Rahmbo orchestrated the articles in the SRM to marginalize the "birthers" as nutjobs in the hopes that the whole thing would just go away.
Instead, the whole thing has backfired on him and, as you stated, it is forcing more people to ask more questions about zero.
Sometimes, "it is best to let sleeping dogs lie so they'll keep the fleas to themselves." - Ancient DustyMoment saying
No one has seen an original newspaper with the announcements. Why? My family owned newspapers. Every newspaper I’ve ever hear of keeps their original papers from day one. There are also originals stored in state archival libraries as well as donated to any number of other local libraries and genealogical societies. There are bound to be originals in the backs of people’s closets if they would just bother to look. Surely, those other babies’ families kept the announcement lists.
One of the newspapers said they also got announcements from families reporting their newborns, so it wasn’t just generated from COLBs. My family listed my birth in at least a half dozen different states and obviously I could only have been born in one place. Something that amazes me is that people claim the announcement is proof he was born in Hawaii but for the life of me I’ve yet to see in those couple lines where he was born.
frankly anybody in 1960s HI who thought the newborn mulatto kid would ever run for president would have had his rocker missing.
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Good point (but then doesn’t every parent think thier kid will be president one day?)
So what else would a 1961 mindset tell you? This was pre-civil-rights. There were a lot of doors (both leagal and otherwise) closed to blacks (and nobocy could have predicted the changes over the next 20 years.) Many schools/colleges prohibited blacks from attending. Blacks were still barred from voting in many states.
Maybe someone at the hospital thought they would do him a favor and on his birth certificate list is race as “caucasian”.
Having an official document listing him as caucasian would at least open doors that might be legally closed to someone that was black (such as voting in certain states.)
We know his father’s race was listed as “African”. Strange, since it really isn’t a race (because people from Africa come in all different colors depending on what area they are from.)
Caucasian mother.
African father.
Caucasian child.
That is a workable combination, but change the father’s race to black and they would have probably been required to list the child’s race as “mixed”.
How's this - "typical white person" granny goes in and applies for the COLB giving the clerk the names and dates. The clerk assumes everyone is caucasian until granny says dad is from Africa. There are white folks in Africa. There are black folks in Africa. There are chocolate colored folks in Africa. In those days, one would not have dared ask typical white granny if the father was black so the clerk listed his race as African and left it at that.
That or the 2007 forger was more of an idiot than we thought.
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Did a doctor or midwife sign the birth certificate?
I think someone has to sign as a WITNESS if a doctor or midwife does not sign a birth certificate for a home birth.
Did you mail in the birth certificate?
As you may know, in Hawaii in 1961, a parent, as I understand it, could mail in a birth certificate with no questions asked.
What state was your daughter born?
How long ago did his happen? Thanks.
We had a doctor who signed.
Also a midwife, BTW.
MO
30 years ago.
AFAIK, her birth certificate looks very much like any other from MO.
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It would be interesting if we could find the names and/or addresses of those 8 births in Honolulu in 1961.
Again, that is one reason why I want to examine Obama's 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate: I want to see if there is or is not a doctor's signature and/or a hospital name.
If there is no doctor signature or hospital name, then I say that Hawaii officials and Obama have a lot of explaining to do.
You forget Phil Berg.
Berg has two lawsuits. There have been about 30 others.
Just because you and Media Matters and the Communist Party USA all agree about Obama’s NBC doesn’t make you a marxist, does it?
No. And I won't speculate about you and Birthers and crackpots.
Hmmmm. Media Matters and CPUSA or those darn freepers. I’d have a hard time deciding who I should trust more.
Fixed it for you.
Many of our laws are huge injustices. A graduated income tax flies in the face of the 14th Amendment, but we have it anyway. Affirmative Action laws are nothing more than "reverse" discrimination, but we have them anyway. It is not much comfort to realize that "...sometimes the law is an ass..."
If the Obamas were not in Hawaii at the time of the birth, or for some time after, it would make perfect sense for Grandma Dunham to put a fake address on the form she submitted to the state—which then ended up in the newspapers’ birth announcement.
The newspapers’ birth announcements are evidence AGAINST Obama’s being born in Hawaii, not evidence in favor. If he had been born in Hawaii, some address where his mother or father lived would be in the announcements.
BTW: Weren’t the ACTUAL residents at that address people who were friends with the Dunhams? A professor, I think I read.
Yes, have read same thing.
Only recently heard that real residence of address were friends of parents.
It gets a little sticky since the grandmother is dead.
One thing about bureaucrats, they always leave a paper trail. They nurse that data like it was one of their children. It is a disease that goes with the job.
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