Good, we’re starting to agree.
I responded to this comment:
"A hard copy of the COLB Bambi posted online is good enough to prove American birth in any court or government office. I don't see why you consider it to be anything less than legitimate."
1. Obama’s copy wasn’t a hard copy but a scanned pic posted online. Per WND, the State of Hawaii hasn’t confirmed that they issued hard copy COLB represented in the online image.
2. You stated that Obama’s COLB “meets the requirements” for passport purposes (a government office) because it presumably agrees with the definition provided in the US Passport link even though it clearly states that some short form versions are not acceptable. The linked comments do not exclude any or all short forms from its definition of certified birth certificates nor does it specify which short forms are unacceptable or why. You must have amazing psychic abilities to be able to unilaterally rule Obama’s short form from that universe. Short forms are not always “good enough to prove American birth in any court or government office”, forgetting the fact a US passport DOES NOT PROVE AMERICAN BIRTH. IT PROVES AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP.
3. The US Passport Office acknowledges the severity and scope of birth certificate fraud used to obtain US Passports. A short form computer generated abstract based on a fraudulent long form birth certificate (source document) would NOT be “good enough to prove American birth in any court” unless it’s a kangaroo court.
Next topic: DHHL requirements.
There is a hard copy of which photos were taken and posted. I agree that the hard copy is what matters, but short of mailing a hard copies of his COLB to anyone who questions his birthplace, I don't see what else he could do besides post photos of it.
2. You stated that Obama’s COLB “meets the requirements” for passport purposes (a government office) because it presumably agrees with the definition provided in the US Passport
Not presumablely. Definitely. The passport office lays out cystal clear requirments for a birth certificate, and the COLB Obama posted meets all of them.
even though it clearly states that some short form versions are not acceptable. The linked comments do not exclude any or all short forms from its definition of certified birth certificates nor does it specify which short forms are unacceptable or why.
It's obvious from the context that some short forms are not acceptable because they do not meet the requirements stated in the same paragraph. Duh.
Short forms are not always “good enough to prove American birth in any court or government office”,
I never said they were. It's obvious from the wording of the state department that any birth certificate, whether short or long form, is good enough provided it meets the specified cretiera, namely, 1)a raised seal, 2) registrar's signature and 3) original document was filed with registrar within a year of birth.
forgetting the fact a US passport DOES NOT PROVE AMERICAN BIRTH. IT PROVES AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP.
Are you stupid or are you being deliberately obtuse? Of course a passport doesn't prove American birth. However, if a brith certificate is being used to obtain a passport, then the passport is being granted on the basis of an American birth. Duh.
A short form computer generated abstract based on a fraudulent long form birth certificate (source document) would NOT be “good enough to prove American birth in any court” unless it’s a kangaroo court.
No, but if someone presents a short form birth certificate, the court accepts it as proof absent evidence of fraud. In other words, if you want to say the short form is not good enough, you have to prove there was fraud.
And no, the court isn't going to grant you access to state vital records (such as the original BC) just because you allege fraud and want to go on a fishing expedition. You have to provide some evidence that there was fraud.
I have yet to see a single birther give any evidence or even any probable cause that there was fraud invovled in the registration of Obama's birth.