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To: curiosity; pissant; STARWISE; Red Steel; rxsid; Plutarch; MissTickly; bareford101; RobinMasters; ...
"A hard copy of the COLB Bambi posted online is good enough to prove American birth in any court or government office. I don't see why you consider it to be anything less than legitimate."

Here we go, again: 1. No, it's not. 2. If Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. is actually Mr. Obama's father (which we don't really know, one way or the other) he is not a natural born citizen, as his father was not a citizen. 3. Was Mr. Obama adopted by his stepfather in Indonesia? 4. Is the COLB shown on-line genuine? I've read numerous articles that say it's not. 5. Why the secrecy about everything involved with his history? School records, birth certificate, passport, state senate records, etc., etc.?? Somebody here help me explain to this FReeper why he's wrong.

18 posted on 08/04/2009 3:12:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
1. No, it's not. 2. If Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. is actually Mr. Obama's father (which we don't really know, one way or the other) he is not a natural born citizen, as his father was not a citizen.

Interacting with you is like talking to a brick wall. It is simply not true that you need to have two citizen parents to be a natural born citizen. Birth in the US, under US jurisdiction, is enough. SCOTUS settled that definitely in US v. Kim Wong Ark, as I have pointed out to you and others multiple times.

Why are you so intent on ignoring it?

3. Was Mr. Obama adopted by his stepfather in Indonesia?

Not relevant to his eligibility to be president.

4. Is the COLB shown on-line genuine?

Again, not relevant, because it has already been confirmed by state officials that he was born in Hawaii.

5. Why the secrecy about everything involved with his history?

Because it encourages crackpot conspiracy theorists who make his opposition look bad.

I've read numerous articles that say it's not.

Oh, well, if you've read articles about it, then there must be something to it! /sarcasm.

School records, birth certificate, passport, state senate records, etc., etc.??

19 posted on 08/04/2009 3:21:01 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; curiosity; pissant; STARWISE; Red Steel; rxsid; Plutarch; MissTickly; ...
Start here:

Link to US Passport Office

"*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes. "

21 posted on 08/04/2009 3:25:26 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The online COLB may very well be “authentic” but that means very little.

It means that the State of Hawaii has an original birth document of some sort for Obama in its archives. The information on the online COLB was taken from that source document.

The question remains: What is the nature of that original document? Is it a long-form birth certificate? It would be, if Obama was born in a hospital in Hawaii because the attending physician would have been required by law to file one.

If there is one, why hasn't it been released?

On the other hand, there are other types of “original” birth certificates that the State of Hawaii issued in 1961. And some of those would not necessarily have required that Obama have been born in Hawaii. They are merely attestation of his birth by a parent or near relative, his grandparents for example.

Now, if the “original” were of this type, one can see the reason for not releasing it.

And as a matter of fact, the State of Hawaii has refused to comment on exactly what kind of “original” document they have consulted to issue the COLB, which is only an electronic form verifying that the state has some form of original birth document in its possession.

40 posted on 08/04/2009 4:13:31 PM PDT by mojito
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

There is no explaining to Obama-bots whether they’re RINO’s or Liberals. They are taking this one on blind faith because they haven’t seen any proof either!


52 posted on 08/05/2009 10:05:00 AM PDT by Alaphiah123 (The corruption of man, as Emerson wrote, leads to the corruption of language. And the corruption of)
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