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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wish someone would explain to these folks, and to many ill informed on Free Republic, exactly what the writers of the constitution meant by “natural born.” Also, to explain that the 14th Ammendment does not change the requirement. If anything it makes it clearer, when reading the writing of the person who authored the ammendment, that a “natural born” citizen must have both parents as citizens first. One parent won’t cut it.


4 posted on 08/01/2009 10:28:15 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas
The 14th can, in fact, be read to rescind citizenship granted in error by an INS or ICE administrator.

Probably upwards of 30 million people would no longer qualify with a strict reading and a decision that "administrative error" can be corrected irrespective of the "ex post facto" clause.

7 posted on 08/01/2009 10:30:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sola Veritas

I get it my FRiend. I confess that upon the onset of this Constitutional faux pas, I did not. But with much reading and a sincere appreciation for U.S. history, I discern the reality of it. The numbers of those of us who do grow --- likely every day. When one FRiend brings the facts to another FRiends table, our numbers grow exponentially. Chin up and keep talking about it. The truth, good and bad, deserves to see the light of day.


21 posted on 08/01/2009 10:47:04 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Sola Veritas
Sorry, I am in the camp that believes the 14th Amendment is INCLUSIVE and not EXCLUSIVE.
The purpose of the 14th was to abolish slavery and to grant full citizenship to former slaves.
The 14th never says that this is the ONLY way to achieve citizenship.

A “natural born citizen” means, simply, that you were a citizen at the very moment of birth.

No act of Congress, after you were born, counts.

No “naturalization process” after you were born, counts.

Also, the legislation concerning citizenship has changed, several times, over the years.

It is ENTIRELY possible to be a “natural born citizen” or a citizen from the moment of birth, even if you were not born in this country, as long as both parents are of the proper age at that time of that birth, or as long as at least one parent is of proper age at the time of birth, provided that said parents are citizens.

At the time of Obama’s birth, the mother was required to be age 19. She was age 18.

Obama had to be born in Hawaii, or he is not a natural born citizen.

(I will grant the fact that other issues also impact this matter, such as dual citizenship, or possible renunciation of citizenship as part of a foreign adoption)

38 posted on 08/01/2009 11:24:43 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Sola Veritas

Yes, it is so frustrating. When you try to explain this to people, their eyes just glaze over.

Or they will say so what he was elected. It is not that simple. He is not (if proven he was born in Kenya) eligible to be sitting in the oval. He was vacate!!!


48 posted on 08/02/2009 7:08:03 AM PDT by waxer1 ( "The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
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