Why Obama’s Birth Certificate Matters

Creating Orwellian Worldview ^ | 7/23/09 | alaphiah

[bmwcyle]

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[Star Traveler]

Oh, I think that Obama should have revealed his birth certificate before the election, but he didn’t. I thought that should make a “political difference” and cause him to lose the election, but he didn’t. And I see that others want to force Obama to reveal his birth certificate now, but they can’t.

So, I’ve seen that the only course of action is the state laws to force the birth certificate to be shown, by law. Otherwise, there is no legal requirement for any candidate to release their birth certificate.

And in all that, I’ve seen some conservatives “go insane” and that’s the “Obama Derangement Syndrome”. So, I don’t think that opposition to Obama should stop in terms of all his bills and legislation and policies he’s putting through. That’s not the point of knowing what “Obama Derangement Syndrome” is about. All that is about is identifying those who have *crazy ideas* that bear no resemblance to reality.

In the meantime sane people can oppose Obama and also get the birth certificate in ways that will actually work, in real life, instead of descending into “insanity”....

So, yes, the “concern” is valid — and the “Obama Derangement Syndrome” is insanity...

That’s why I also support WorldNetDaily in their consistent flow of articles on the birth certificate issue... :-)

[Star Traveler]

Yes, I support WorldNetDaily in what they are doing, not only in the birth certificate issue and with them putting up billboards all across this country — but in all their other kinds of articles that they write.

They are a good news outlet and resource. I’m glad that Joseph Farah (I guess owner, and editor...) is running the show over there...

[RinaseaofDs]

“Birthers”

I just call them ‘constitutionalists’. I’m not sure what you’d call people on the other side that think that the constitution is irrelevant in this matter.

Hey, if others disagree with the constitutionalists, let them charge Obama with criminal fraud, make Biden President, and let him run again after they amend the constitution. There’s a process for changing things about the constitution you don’t like. Sorry about the inconvenience of it, but I think that was the idea.

[Alaphiah123]

Traveler,

We are a nation of laws. Because a Constitutional lawyer found a loophole from which he could manipulate government does not mean that we have to stand by and accept it.

Never does it mean that people who are reacting to this breech of law are somehow crazy.

Only those that idly stand by and watch injustice succeed are crazy because they ultimately watch their own demise without lifting a finger to prevent it.

[Star Traveler]

No, I don’t think that I should stand by and not react to what I thought should be revealed to the public, i.e., Obama’s birth certificate.

So, I got on the stick and started working with my state to make it a requirement that all candidates be legally required to produce their birth certificate. This has never been a legal requirement before, and it needs to be corrected.

Yes, we need to get on the stick and cure the problem that someone has “walked right through”....

But, at the same time, I don’t advise people to “descend into insanity” (by way of the “Obama Derangement Syndrome”) and think that by “going insane” that they are solving the problem that they point out... LOL...

[Alaphiah123]

Traveler,
I commend your efforts to enact laws that would prevent this kind of atrocity from occurring in the future.

However Cancer research doesn't have to stop immediate Cancer treatment even if we don't have all of the promising results of the research to come.

People are angry that their government failed them and I'm not going to allow anyone discount that anger and just being crazy and non sequential.

You would do well to table your belittling of people who are attempting to bring about political pressure to force their government to work for them.

Political pressure is real it is as real as a future law that you've worked on plus it can have an immediate impact that your law can not until it is enacted.

There is room enough for both. What there is not room for is condescending to people are attempting to get their government to respond to them by calling them birther or sufferers of “Obama Derangement Syndrome”

If Obama stole the President it is crazy for Americans to just stand by and wait for a corrupt government to bring a fix for itself.

[Star Traveler]

I don’t propose that people stop trying to get a birth certificate from Obama or from any candidate.

All I say is do something that is going to make it so that you can *legally require* and *compel* someone (even against their will) to produce the document...

That’s not hard to understand....

Short of that, it’s only “voluntary”... and we can well see from the past...

[screaming eagle2]

The more the President procrastinates,the worse this story will get.He either needs to produce the proper documentation now,or resign as a fraud.of course...he will do neither.

[screaming eagle2]

The more the President procrastinates,the worse this story will get.He either needs to produce the proper documentation now,or resign as a fraud.of course...he will do neither.

[Alaphiah123]

Traveler,
We are not that far from agreement. This one thing that I do fully agree with you on is that we have left the era of personal integrity and responsibility. An era where one would not even think to run for the Presidency if one knew that one were ineligible.

We now need minuscule laws to govern and micro manage every aspect of our lives because people are so dishonest, corrupt and have no honor now.

So yes we now need laws to legally require and compel someone to do the right thing. That is not hard to understand at all.

What is hard to understand, is seeing this situation as it unfolded that people who fancy themselves as fair-minded moderate or liberal would suffer the very appearance of impropriety and defend it or call people who take offense at wrong doing and attempt to minimize them as crazy!

[I am Richard Brandon]

"You said — You might as well bother someone else. I just look for the name and move on when it comes to you."

That's unfair: Star Traveler is a 'person' of action:

The 'person' said "(I) started working with my state legislature to pass legislation to require any candidate produce a birth certificate if they were running for office, or else they cannot be on the ballot."

[I am Richard Brandon]

"You said — You might as well bother someone else. I just look for the name and move on when it comes to you."

That's unfair: Star Traveler is a 'person' of action:

The 'person' said "(I) started working with my state legislature to pass legislation to require any candidate produce a birth certificate if they were running for office, or else they cannot be on the ballot."

[I am Richard Brandon]

"The more the President procrastinates,the worse this story will get.He either needs to produce the proper documentation now,or resign as a fraud.of course...he will do neither."

Not if it is 'Rope-a-Dope' We should just persist in asking for the release of documents - FOIA and all that. But we should not let this one issue dominate all the other socialist stupidities he is perpetrating.

[ckilmer]

A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here. (Please save & cache the recording)

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
Don't click through the link to utube on WND but rather listen to the recording on site. The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts. (be sure to save & cache this if you know how--because obama's people are actively hunting this stuff down)

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in Kenya but rather that he is a "son of this village". However, witnesses insist that she said she was present at obama's birth in Kenya. If taken alone, perhaps she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.



Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

In July 2009 a Ghanian newspapersays of Obama that ""For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American president on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth," The American Thinker explains here why Obama's short form released by fightthesmears is not sufficient for Hawaii. There is evidence to suggest that the home named in the newspaper archived article as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by a couple not Obama's parents. Even the Honalulu Advertiser has a different address of record for Obama's father than the one listed newspaper birth listing. The hospital where Obama claims he was born--refuses to either confirm or deny that he was in fact born there--and that despite the fact that Obama has said he was born there in writing--and presented the hospital a memo to that effect...right after he was elected. What's more newspaper accounts of his birth place him in other hospitals around Hawaii. None of these will comment either.

Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that. Here's a footnoted timeline of obama's life 1961-2008. Its especially helpful to look at 1961 and 2008. Of interest is this: Interesting timeline with footnotes of obama's life.

of note

On April 10, 2008 Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduces Senate Resolution S. Res. 511 to “recognize that John Sidney McCain is a natural born citizen.” The resolution is allegedly meant to clarify that McCain is eligible to be President even though he was born in Panama. Because McCain’s parents were both Americans and he was born in Panama because his father was stationed there while in the military, existing law already covers McCain and he is eligible to be President. McCaskill’s resolution thus serves no purpose – except that language is included to try and provide a “blanket cover” for other foreign born candidates without military backgrounds, in order to enable Obama to be eligible to be President. This is the language that Obama inserted “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;” This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain [The language is inserted by Obama.][301,303]

301# http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/#more-3844

303 # http://watchdog.net/b/us/110/sr511

Obama's Senate efforts to airbrush his past were augmented by his top Intelligence Advisor in March 2008. Obama's Intelligence Adviser Involved in Security Breach. Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March [2008] for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released this past July. The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies. During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation. Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to “cauterize” the records of potentially embarrassing information. In this video of Obama's reaction to the break in...he says twice that his reason for being concerned about the matter is not that he is concerned about what the records may reveal about himself...but rather etc. One denial is ok. Two denials in short order is of a piece with the other anomolies in his record. Especially since it seems Obama's people instigated the break in.

[ckilmer]

Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org(this is cached as the original was taken down) by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually. Ah here is the cached version.) Here is a better cached versionHere's a third Kindly cache these too.

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. As to the famous newsclipping in Hawaii that states that bama was born there in 1961--there is evidence to suggest that the house named as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by someone else besides his parents. Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Obama is going to Africa. Will he visit Kenya? Nope. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. Joe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.

Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. Not so.(However, as of july 2009--eight months after the election-- Hawaii changed their rules so as to make the short form legal.There is even evidence to suggest the online "certification of live birth"--ie not a birth certificate--obama presented... was a forgery. See the press conference out take here.

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts.

Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

Even the liberal LA Times on June 30, 2009 in an article dripping with contempt--conceded that the thing Obama's people posted online was "technically... not a birth certificate".

A bill in the US congress with 10 backers currently -- calls for future presidential candidates to be required to show a birth certificate. The library of congress has recently started including the Obama File in its historic collections of Internet materials related to the Presidential Transition during a Time of Crises. The Obama File holds that Obama's birth certificate as presented online is bogus.

Now this story is starting to change. Some liberals in an open acknowledgement of Obama's problems are starting to call for a change in the constitution.Liberal defenders of Obama in full retreat on Birth CertificateNow The LA Times Wants To Amend the Constitution Rather Than Have Obama Show His Birth Certificate. (Translation: Yeah he’s not a Natural Born Citizen — As the Constitution Requires.)

[Star Traveler]

You said — What is hard to understand, is seeing this situation as it unfolded that people who fancy themselves as fair-minded moderate or liberal would suffer the very appearance of impropriety and defend it or call people who take offense at wrong doing and attempt to minimize them as crazy!

—

Well, let me point out some “fine” distinctions that can exist between sanity and insanity... It’s sort of a joke, but it does point out a bit of the difference.

I’ve heard it described that a person doing something several times over again and getting the same result, each time — that it’s “insanity” for that person to think that if they keep trying it again and again that they will get a different result (than they have been getting).

Someone can tell it better as a joke than I can, but that’s the gist of the idea.

If you trying doing the same thing over and over again and expect to get a different result, then you’re insane... LOL...

SO..., we have certain people that think if they keep asking over and over again for the birth certificate, when there is *no legal way to compel it* — then they are “insane” for keeping on doing the same thing, expecting a different result... :-)

If someone can’t see that — then I would have to agree that someone is “insane”...

HOWEVER, if one sees that doing it again and again is not going to produce a different result and then takes *other measures* to get the desired result — that’s not insane. And that’s why taking the other measures, like “enacting state laws making the birth certificate required* — is not insane, but taking a different method in which it *can be accomplished*.

I hope that illustrates the difference between being “insane* and “sane* in the matter of the birth certificate.

[Sunshine Sister]

Wow. I never considered that they would put so much thought to strategy! Wonders never cease!

[patriot08]

One individual has been out there in the trenches 24/7 hitting Obama on multiple fronts and has almost single handedly brought Obama's inelgibility to U.S and world wide attention. This brave little Russian refugee lady has put her life on hold- and in danger to try to save YOUR country. She flies all over the U.S. serving papers, giving speeches, meeting with various officials and giving interviews. This involves great expense, and it is reported that Dr. Orly is over $8,000 in debt from using her own funds in her fight to prove Obama's ineligibility. She needs researchers, lawyers and other volunteers. Please do what you can to help her. http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ Dr. Orly has added renouned attorney, Stephen Pidgeon as her assistant: http://stephenpidgeon.com/ http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2816 .

[patriot08]

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Dr. Orly’s website:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/
Dr. Orly has added renouned attorney, Stephen Pidgeon as her assistant:
http://stephenpidgeon.com/
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2816

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