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The Battle Begins: ATF vs the Constitution
10th Amendment Center ^ | 7/18/09 | Bryce Shonka

Posted on 07/19/2009 7:34:30 AM PDT by NoobRep

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To: ForGod'sSake

Great pic! :)


61 posted on 07/20/2009 5:11:09 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: ForGod'sSake
It is to be hoped that we have such a change.


62 posted on 07/20/2009 7:58:43 AM PDT by TheOldLady (0bama -- Beloved of the Morningstar)
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To: NoobRep

There have been at least two Endangered Species cases brought under the Commerce Clause which shot down the same intra-state claims. One was some sort of red fox (?) case on the east coast where the court said because tourists came to view the animal that it had an interstate nexus. The other was a bug in southern CA that was found only in CA, but becaue it was shipped to museums for collections around the nation, it became an interstate bug falling under federal regulation through the Commerce Clause.

Seems few were watching when the greens layed the tracks on this and state sovereignty was put to bed.


63 posted on 07/20/2009 8:31:13 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: marsh2

Gibbs v. Babbitt (red wolves not foxes)

See also National Association of Home Builders v. Babbitt,
United States v. Lopez, Rancho Viejo v. Nortion, 2003, GDF Realty Investments v. Norton, 2004

http://www.mayerbrown.com/publications/article.asp?id=967&nid=6Does the Endangered Species Act regulate commerce?


64 posted on 07/20/2009 8:59:11 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: SUSSA

The only problem with your suggestion is that federal law permits a federal agent to remove his criminal case to US District court if was acting in his official capacity.

Would be interesting to see what would happen if a state refused to release such agent from jail.


65 posted on 07/20/2009 9:08:53 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: bamahead

66 posted on 07/20/2009 9:38:50 AM PDT by Lady Jag (If there were any honest politicians we'd all be rich)
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To: orinoco

“A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government. “
~George Washington


67 posted on 07/20/2009 10:41:54 AM PDT by Idabilly
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To: SeaHawkFan

Yes it would.


68 posted on 07/20/2009 10:52:55 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: redgolum

There is a spectrum of crimes, arranged by how seriously the feds take them. NFA violations are very near the top.


69 posted on 07/20/2009 10:58:40 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: NoobRep

BFL


70 posted on 07/20/2009 11:02:18 AM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: ForGod'sSake

Please add me to your ping list.


71 posted on 07/20/2009 11:26:26 AM PDT by Gvl_M3
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To: Texas Fossil

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/07/08/local-sheriffs-are-last-defense/


72 posted on 07/20/2009 11:28:13 AM PDT by Idabilly
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To: Still Thinking
How does the 10th Amendment get enforced then? It was tacitly agreed in the early 19th century that the USSC interprets the Constitution and its alleged abuses.

In the 1990s the Court did strike down federal legislation on the basis that it violated the Commerce Clause. I think a similar argument could be made regarding mandatory health insurance if they attempt it.

While there's no guarantees the current makeup of this Court is ideologically predisposed to being sympathetic to the states rights argument being made in this case. Short of that what's the alternative, another 1860s-style showdown? What other legal way could you use to force the feds to backoff?

73 posted on 07/20/2009 11:32:18 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Fresno

ping


74 posted on 07/20/2009 11:54:15 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Idabilly

“Oathkeepers”

Yes, they are many. And resolute.


75 posted on 07/20/2009 4:24:44 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: Gvl_M3

Done. Thank you for your interest.


76 posted on 07/21/2009 12:37:41 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST. Have I missed anything?)
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To: SeaHawkFan
Would be interesting to see what would happen if a state refused to release such agent from jail.

The Constitution forbids titles of nobility. Further, it grants no authority for any agent to act unconstitutionally. Things could get interesting indeed.

77 posted on 07/21/2009 5:14:36 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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