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To: carcraft
watched Lou Dobbs last night. They sure did a job on Keys and Taitz, This is going to be worst than the swift boat vets trying to get their word out. Nothing is going to come of the Birth certificate thing. The birth certificate is like asking Madoff to do his own book audit!

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Face-Off: I want to comment on that 5 to 10 minute Face-Off show on CNN yesterday, Friday, July 17, 2009.

Before the host interviewed her guests, she gave a little background about the Obama eligibility issue.

1. As the host read about what people wrote about Obama's eligibility issue, I wanted to get up and shout something like this:

"People, don't you get it? There is more to Obama's eligibility issue than that he was or was not born in Hawaii.

" There is the more serious question of whether or not Obama has been lying about his background all these years.

"Hopefully, a full examination of Obama's long form birth certificate will go a long way to help us find out if Obama is who he says he is, or if he is a fraud."

2. But I didn't shout into the tv like I wanted. I just sat there and watched the very short Face-Off. And I mean short. I think that if I had blinked, I would have missed the Face-Off segment.

3. In her background segment, the host talked about how Hawaii officials said this, and even the Governor said that. That is, the Hawaii officials verified that Obama's birth certificate was stored among Hawaii's records.

4. I'm sorry, but I couldn't help but laugh when the host talked about the Hawaii officials, as if the Hawaii officials could be trusted absolutely, and so we must accept their word absolutely.

In other words, if we are to believe the pro-Obama people, there should be no more debate or questions concerning Obama's eligibility because Hawaii officials, even the Governor for pete's sake, said Obama's birth certificate was safely stored in the state of Hawaii's records.

5. Excuse me, I am just a lowly voter, but I am NOT taking the word of any bureaucrat---I don't care if it is the Republican Governor of Hawaii---that a document exists, because I want to see the document in person, or have someone I trust see it and touch it.

My point is that Hawaii bureaucrats don't get it: If Hawaii high-ranking officials like the Governor tell me that they have Obama's birth certificate on file, but they don't tell what is on that birth certificate, then, in reality, they are telling me nothing.

6. You see, the pro-Obama folks and Hawaii officials don't get it, or they pretend not to get it: I don't want to see Obama's long form birth certificate just so that I can see the word "Honolulu".

7. I want to see the names of the doctor and the birth hospital.

8. I want to see if Soetoro, Obama's stepfather, adopted Obama before Obama went to Indonesia as a little boy. (To me, this Soetoro situation could be Obama's 600 pound gorilla in the room, because if it is found that Obama was adopted by Soetoro, then Obama and his high-priced lawyers have a lot of explaining to do.)

9. I want to see the name of Obama's father, because if it is not Barack Obama, then Obama has been telling us a lie all this time.

10. Also, remember that Obama has posted his "birth certificate" on his fight the smears site, so if the details on the long form birth certificate are different in any way from the fight the smears birth certificate, then, again, Obama and his high-priced lawyers have a lot of explaining to do.

11. We must always remember that the Obama supporters are very clever.

12. They cleverly try to keep the focus on the city and state on the birth certificate. They argue that if the words "Honolulu" and "Hawaii" are on the birth certifcate, then that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii and is eligible to run for President of the United States.

13. The Obama supporters also argue that once it is VERIFIED that Obama was born in Honolulu, then it is clear sailing for Obama to easily win a second term, and so-called birthers--- a name for crazy anti-Obama people---can go into the holes that they crawled out of and go screw themselves.

14. But I say this: I want to see Obama's long form birth certificate for myself, and I am not going to take the word of any high-ranking Hawaii bureaucrat, not even the word of the Governor, that Obama's birth certificate is safely stored in Hawaii's records.

15. Again, I want to know if Soetoro, Obama's stepfather, is on the birth certificate.

16. And I want to know the names of Obama's birth doctor and birth hospital so that I can talk to the doctor, if he is still alive, and to the hospital officials to verify that Obama is who he says he is.

17. We must keep the pressure on Obama the rest of his 3 1/2 year term, because if we keep up the pressure, at some point, Obama will have to respond to the growing public outcry as to why Obama won't allow Hawaii to release his long form birth certificate and why Obama won't allow colleges Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard to release his college records.

18. This is what disturbs me about the pro-Obama people: They argue loud and clear that there is no reason for anyone to see Obama's Hawaii long form birth certificate, while, on the other hand, they meekly hand over their children's birth certificates so that their children can play Little League or high school sports.

Go figure.

78 posted on 07/18/2009 6:24:01 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: john mirse
I think there is something going on, my problem is that the CNN folks set Taitz and Keys up, they did not get to present their case on face off at all. The hostess took all the time to reiterate the Obama side and gave Keys and Taitz may be a quarter of the time she gave the other said and had all ready presented the other sides argument! Some one has to put shoes on the issue for it to grow legs! Look at the swift boat veterans and Kerry, not one commanding officer supported Kerry and it didn't rise to the level of serious news...
153 posted on 07/18/2009 3:03:40 PM PDT by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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