Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Talk Back: A Reply to the CNA Talking Points
Publius Forum ^ | 07/01/09 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 07/01/2009 7:13:31 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus

Unions are spearheading the attack on our healthcare system and none more so than the Service Employee's International Union and its sister organization the CNA. The ten talking points that the California Nurses Association has put out in order to rev up its membership to support a universal, single payer healthcare system is interesting, to say the least. In this posting, I'd like to reply to each of them with a little rebuke of my own.

But first I’d like to remark on the ham-handed style in which these talking points were written. The class warfare rhetoric here is more reminiscent of a protest placard than any serious discussion of public policy. But, be that as it may, here we go…

Read the rest at Publiusforum.com...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: barackobama; healthcare; unions
It seems this union's list was written by a 10-year-old!
1 posted on 07/01/2009 7:13:32 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Mobile Vulgus
These people are stupid. Do they really think they will exempt from wage controls once the govt. takes over? Do they really believe that being in a union, replete with union mentality, will provide a high level of patient care?

Once universal health care is enacted they all lose any bargaining power for higher pay and better jobs. It becomes a collective and no matter how good a nurse you are and how many letters of commendation you get from patients and their families the sloth-like nurse you work with will still get the same pay as you.

2 posted on 07/01/2009 7:58:39 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: raybbr
Most nurses are in a union today. I would bet that the union nurses get more money than the non-union nurses.

Why would the government lower the pay of its employees. If you have an example of a government employee who has had their pay lowered or limited I'd like to see it.

3 posted on 07/01/2009 8:59:38 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: outpostinmass2
Most nurses are in a union today. I would bet that the union nurses get more money than the non-union nurses.

Pure bunk! My wife works at two major hospitals in CT and neither one is union. And, I guarantee they make more than the union nurses in CT.

4 posted on 07/01/2009 9:07:38 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: raybbr
I doubt it and they would be bucking a trend in all industries. Do non-union manufacturing jobs (auto) make more than union? Do non-union teachers make more than union? How about trades?

Top performers will get paid more in their fields if they are non-union. But....most people are not top performers thus is the reason that overall union people make more which is what the union is all about.

5 posted on 07/01/2009 9:12:53 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: outpostinmass2
I doubt it...

Uh, okay. Your speculation is more accurate than my first hand knowledge.

6 posted on 07/01/2009 9:16:59 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: raybbr

How about reading the rest of my comment. Top performers will see a pay cut but the %90 of the workforce that are not top performers will see a pay increase.

This is what unions are about.


7 posted on 07/01/2009 9:20:56 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: outpostinmass2
How about reading the rest of my comment. Top performers will see a pay cut but the %90 of the workforce that are not top performers will see a pay increase. This is what unions are about.

I did read the rest of your comments. However, when one leads with a palpable lack of knowledge on the subject what is there left to say?

Again, the nurses at these hospitals are already making as much as union or better. And they are NOT union.

8 posted on 07/01/2009 9:23:56 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: raybbr
I guess I will sink down to your level and use your some of your logic against you.

I have first hand knowledge in the Boston area, my wife is a nurse and so are five of my sister-in-laws. Guess what the union ones make more than the non-union ones.

I guess we are at stalemate on this one.

Why do non-union auto workers make less than union workers? Or am I wrong on this thinking too?

9 posted on 07/01/2009 9:29:36 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: outpostinmass2
Auto workers are a different subject. That's basically unskilled labor.

"Sinking down to my level". Is that what you call first hand knowledge? Your behavior is boorish.

I don't really care what the nurses in your family make or do. I am talking about here. You keep challenging something you can't possible have any knowledge of - the pay scale of nurses in CT.

BTW are all those nurses in your family union?

10 posted on 07/01/2009 9:35:35 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: raybbr
Boorish? You're the one who started with the word bunk.

And no they are not all union. When it comes to stats one instance is not a stat. One of the non-union nurses does make more than two of the union nurses but less than two of the others. Not that you care. This non-union nurse does freelance but receives no benefits. The other non-union nurse makes less than everyone.

I guess teachers are unskilled too? How about plumbers and electricians?

I have a hard time believing that the average pay would be lower for union nurses. Why would anyone join a union for lower pay with all the hassles that come with working in a union?

Typically, low performers will see a pay increase once in a union which is the majority of the workforce. Top performers are in demand and get paid more. Once in a union there is no reward for performance.

11 posted on 07/01/2009 9:55:32 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: outpostinmass2

And the article is about California nurses which neither you nor I have first hand knowledge about.


12 posted on 07/01/2009 9:59:36 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson