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Sullivan Missing the Point on Waxman-Markey
Organized Exploitation ^ | 06-29-2009 | Paul Kroenke

Posted on 06/29/2009 6:36:43 PM PDT by aic4ever

There is a decent amount of buzz brewing today over a the cost-benefit analysis put together by Jim Manzi on the Waxman-Markey bill. The analysis is very well worth the read and I would suggest reading the whole thing. For those of you unwilling to read it all, the result of his analysis is that:

"The costs would be more than ten times the benefits, even under extremely unrealistic assumptions of low costs and high benefits. More realistic assumptions would make for a comparison far less favorable to the bill."

The left is a-twitter, already rationalizing away the reasons why we can't pay attention to this, and they have a strong guiding hand coming from Andrew Sullivan, who obviously doesn't care for Manzi's results.

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1 posted on 06/29/2009 6:36:43 PM PDT by aic4ever
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To: aic4ever
Eventually the Leftwingtards are going to figure out that one of the first big cost cuts can be AIDS related services.

Since AIDS is, for the most part, a totally voluntary disease, it would be very easy to deny claims.

Then there are durg treatment programs ~ again, something that would presumably be paid for out of the federal budget, yet the underlying disease is almost totally voluntary ~ and claims can be denied.

No doubt there are many other similarly focused medical treatments that can be deleted from the general support system.

2 posted on 06/29/2009 6:43:31 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: aic4ever

Nuclear doesn’t produce carbon. Is it possible that despite couching this bill in “renewable green” terminology, that this bill will drive utilities to nuclear which is the only proven viable technology that doesn’t produce carbon?

Is there anything in the bill that prohibits nuclear from meeting the carbon reduction requirements?

If so, this bill may have some good unintended side effects.


3 posted on 06/29/2009 6:46:09 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Since the Left is death to anything “nuclear” you can bet that new permits to build nuclear power plants will be denied, denied, denied.


4 posted on 06/29/2009 6:48:44 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: DannyTN

I work in Nuclear and think it is the way to go but there are some utilities that shouldn’t own or run a Nuclear plant. You are right though that there is no other viable technology ready to replace coal plants to any significant extent.


5 posted on 06/29/2009 6:51:30 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: muawiyah

“Since AIDS is, for the most part, a totally voluntary disease, it would be very easy to deny claims.”
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I notice no one is talking about this, but if they plan to start rationing care, homosexuality whould certainly be up there in the high risk behavior category. HIV/AIDS is a huge burden on the healthcare system!
Have these liberals figured that out yet as they all rush behind BO in supporting his program??


6 posted on 06/29/2009 6:55:37 PM PDT by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: aic4ever

I’m always surprised to learn that people still read Andrew Sullivan.


7 posted on 06/29/2009 6:57:12 PM PDT by oblomov (Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods. - Mencken)
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To: coconutt2000
"Since the Left is death to anything “nuclear” you can bet that new permits to build nuclear power plants will be denied, denied, denied."

That would be logical given the left's stance. But I'm just wondering if there is a prohibition on nuclear in the bill. If it drives demand for nuclear up, it might be hard for Zero to keep the industry down.

There are currently 30 applications for new nuke plants before the EIA
New Applications

8 posted on 06/29/2009 7:04:41 PM PDT by DannyTN
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"but there are some utilities that shouldn’t own or run a Nuclear plant."

I heard that. I suspect that some utilities will simply buy nuclear power from plant owners to meet their requirements.

And I'm supportive of a very good regulatory, inspection and review process. But the more plants we have, the less costly that oversight becomes. More importantly, the more plants we have, the more likely we have the electricity available to convert vehicles to either battery or hydrogen if another oil price shock occurs.

9 posted on 06/29/2009 7:08:08 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

The Left won the nuclear issue years ago. They already stopped new nuclear power plant development stone cold. Bush tried to jump start it, but I’m pretty sure his accomplishments in that area have already been reversed by the Obama administration.


10 posted on 06/29/2009 7:15:14 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: DannyTN
Don't get me wrong there a some utilities that do an excellent job running Nuclear plants (Excelon, Duke, Entergy, PGN, Dominion to name a few).
11 posted on 06/29/2009 7:18:53 PM PDT by WHBates
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Exelon is for cap & trade - they gave money to some of the GOP dirty 8 - most went to Mark Kirk $34,100.


12 posted on 06/29/2009 7:31:01 PM PDT by Lilpug15 (The Forgotten Man: He works, he votes and he generally prays - but He Always Pays": Sumner)
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To: DannyTN

Unfortunately no. The bill defines only “renewable” energy sources, and lists them as wind, solar, landfill gas, geothermal and hydroelectric.


13 posted on 06/30/2009 4:23:27 AM PDT by aic4ever
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To: aic4ever
"Unfortunately no. The bill defines only “renewable” energy sources, and lists them as wind, solar, landfill gas, geothermal and hydroelectric."

Rats. Well, I guess I better get busy filling up the landfill. Wouldn't want to run out of green energy.

14 posted on 06/30/2009 4:39:57 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Lilpug15
Well it's survival of the fittest now. Exelon has got a ton of nuclear base load. So does Duke and Entergy. If you listen to each of the CEO's you will find that they all talk about saving the planet with reduced CO2 emissions. Don't expect them to fight, they just want to position themselves to survive.

In the case of Exelon there maybe something far deeper. They are basically a Chicago company and have been playing deep inside Democrat politics for decades. Bill Ayres' father was the CEO of Exelon's prior life form (Commonwealth Ed) so I would trust them any further than I could throw them. But Nuclear is still the way to go and that is in spite of some of the people running these companies. In the case of Exelon I believe there is more there than meets the eye, be very weary.

15 posted on 06/30/2009 2:00:10 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: WHBates

Yes - I agree that nuclear is what we should be aiming for. And thank you for your additional insight into Exelon - I was thinking something was up there. Here is a link to their website getting all happy about C&T.

http://www.exeloncorp.com/aboutus/news/pressrelease/corporate/090626_+Exelon+Applauds+House+for+Action+on+Climate+Change+Bill.htm


16 posted on 06/30/2009 2:13:32 PM PDT by Lilpug15 (The Forgotten Man: He works, he votes and he generally prays - but He Always Pays": Sumner)
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