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To: trumandogz
“Dreams from My Father” and “The Audacity of Hope," states several things damaging to U S citizenship claims of Obama qualifying to be Constitutionally Natural Born. 1. He went to school in Indonesia at a time when it was necessary to be a citizen of Indonesia to go to school there. 2. He was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soeotoro, as I understand the adoption law at that time, made Obama an Indonesian citizen when adopted, loosing all other citizenships, dual citizenship was not allowed. 3. In the adoption procedure his prior sir name was lost and his sir name was legally changed to Soetoro, and his parents gave him the first name Barry according to available written records. 4. He said he traveled to Pakistan during a period of martial law. At this time when he travelled, no person with a U S passport could get a Visa or would be permitted entry (except diplomatic). He could not get in with a U S passport, so apparently he had to use some other passport, logically an Indonesian passport since he was legally an Indonesian citizen due to the adoption law in Indonesia.

Conclusions drawn from the above: His legal name is Barry Soetoro, and a citizen of Indonesia.

He is not U S Citizen, therefore could not be a Natural Born US Citizen either.

His place of birth was Kenya, but points 1. through 4. above make it mute plus there are several other reasons, below are two of:

His father, Barrack Obama, Sr. was a British (Kenya) citizen, under the historical definition of Natural Born, having a non citizen parent is disqualifying. Also his father, Barrack Obama, Sr. being a British (Kenya) citizen, made Obama,Jr. a British citizen at birth regardless of where born according to an 1948 English law . Ever if he was born in the U. S. he had dual citizenship which also is disqualifying. A side issue: His Mother’s age at his birth, caused a Title 8 US Code legal impediment for filing a request for “Certificate of Live Birth”. This would suggest that this is the reason that such a request has not been released or the original hospital record released. In order to fully resolve his eligibility question all of the following records must also be released. “Full Transparency” as guaranteed during the Presidential campaign is required, if there is nothing to hide why not release? Obama is not a natural born citizen, because his father was not a US citizen. That is if we are to believe that the man he states in his book is his real father!

According to what we know of Obama's father, he was a British subject, and because of that Obama was born a subject of the Crown and later became a citizen of Kenya. Even if he was born in Hawaii, and his mother was old enough to pass US citizenship on to him, he would still only be a citizen-not a natural born citizen. Natural born status must exist at the moment of birth. It can not be earned, or received at a later date, or by a retroactive law. The Constitution does not define what a natural born citizen is. However, if we look at the United States Naturalization Law of March 26, 1790, it states "the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens". So we can learn from this that you have to be the child of US citizens, to be a natural born citizen. Now that law was repealed and replaced by the The Naturalization Act of 1795 which now stated that "the children of citizens of the United States born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States." This act, signed into law by George Washinton himself, dropped the "natural born" phrase. So from this we can see the only way you can be a natural born citizen, is to be born to US citizens on US soil.

George Romney ran for President years ago, and he had to drop out when it was found that although both his parents were citizens, he was born in Mexico. He was therefore a citizen, but not natural born. The reverse could also happen. Two people sneak over the border, and have their child here. The child is a US citizen, but again he is not natural born, because his parents are citizens in Mexico. The child could also claim dual citizenship, and have loyalty to Mexico and the USA. Also in the 1795 law you can see that to become a naturalized citizen, you had to "support the Constitution of the United States; and that he does absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whatever, and particularly by name the prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whereof he was before a citizen or subject. Also if you " borne any hereditary title, or been of any of the orders of nobility in the kingdom or state from which he came, on his, moreover, making in the court an express renunciation of his title or order of nobility".

So you can see that the founders did not allow dual citizenship, for even a naturalized citizen. Children that were born to fathers that never resided in the United States were barred from citizenship at birth. "right of citizenship shall not descend on persons whose fathers have never been resident of the United States." Knowing this, we are now being told that Obama is qualified? Yes, he may be a citizen, though I doubt it, but he was never a natural born citizen, and can not be President, if we honor the Constitution.

92 posted on 06/25/2009 3:46:43 PM PDT by classified
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To: classified

You are not simply wrong on this issue, but you are also a plagiarist.

Here is the indisputable proof of your plagiarism.

On June 25, 2009 5:46:43 PM CDT classified wrote:

1. He went to school in Indonesia at a time when it was necessary to be a citizen of Indonesia to go to school there. 2. He was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soeotoro, as I understand the adoption law at that time, made Obama an Indonesian citizen when adopted, loosing all other citizenships, dual citizenship was not allowed. 3. In the adoption procedure his prior sir name was lost and his sir name was legally changed to Soetoro, and his parents gave him the first name Barry according to available written records. 4. He said he traveled to Pakistan during a period of martial law. At this time when he travelled, no person with a U S passport could get a Visa or would be permitted entry (except diplomatic). He could not get in with a U S passport, so apparently he had to use some other passport, logically an Indonesian passport since he was legally an Indonesian citizen due to the adoption law in Indonesia.

On May 10, 2009 at 5:20 pm Richard Fisher on www.juliansanchez.com wrote:

1. He went to school in Indonesia at a time when it was my understanding that it was necessary to be a citizen of Indonesia to go to school there.
2. He was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soeotoro, as I understand the adoption law at that time, this law made him an Indonesian citizen when adopted, loosing all other citizenships, dual citizenship was not allowed.
3. In the adoption procedure his prior sir name was lost and his sir name was legally changed to Soetoro, and his parents gave him the first name Barry according to available written records.
4. He said he traveled to Pakistan during a period of martial law. My experience was no person with a U S passport could get a Visa or would be permitted entry (except diplomatic). I could not get in with a U S passport. I conclude that he used some other passport, logically an Indonesian passport since he was legally an Indonesian citizen due to the adoption law in Indonesia.

http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/03/03/obama/

The following paragraph was also entirely lifted by you from Richard Fisher’s work.

On June 25, 2009 5:46:43 PM CDT classified wrote:

His father, Barrack Obama, Sr. was a British (Kenya) citizen, under the historical definition of Natural Born, having a non citizen parent is disqualifying. Also his father, Barrack Obama, Sr. being a British (Kenya) citizen, made Obama,Jr. a British citizen at birth regardless of where born according to an 1948 English law . Ever if he was born in the U. S. he had dual citizenship which also is disqualifying. A side issue: His Mother’s age at his birth, caused a Title 8 US Code legal impediment for filing a request for “Certificate of Live Birth”. This would suggest that this is the reason that such a request has not been released or the original hospital record released. In order to fully resolve his eligibility question all of the following records must also be released. “Full Transparency” as guaranteed during the Presidential campaign is required, if there is nothing to hide why not release? Obama is not a natural born citizen, because his father was not a US citizen. That is if we are to believe that the man he states in his book is his real father!

On May 10, 2009 at 5:20 pm Richard Fisher on www.juliansanchez.com wrote:

His father, Barrack Obama, Sr. was a British (Kenya) citizen, under the historical definition of Natural Born, having a non citizen parent is disqualifying.

Also his father, Barrack Obama, Sr. being a British (Kenya) citizen, made Obama,Jr. a British citizen at birth regardless of where born according to an 1948 English law . Ever if he was born in the U. S. he had dual citizenship which also is disqualifying.

A side issue:

His Mother’s age at his birth, caused a Title 8 US Code legal impediment for filing a request for “Certificate of Live Birth”. This would suggest that this is the reason that such a request has not been released or the original hospital record released.

In order to fully resolve his eligibility question all of the following records must also be released. “Full Transparency” as guaranteed during the Presidential campaign is required, if there is nothing to hide why have they not been released, should be released immediately.

http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/03/03/obama/

Again, rather than conduct his own research, “classified” elects to copy someone else’s questionable work and fails cite the words that he copied. The only facet of Fuller’s work that “classified” did not copy correctly was Fuller’s correct use of paragraphs.

And any one who has ever struggled through the 9th Grade or even sniffed a college classroom understands that Plagiarism is a big no-no.

And as for the research that you did, I mean the “research” that you plagiarized, it is complete nonsense.

Case in point: The person who “classified” plagiarized wrote:

4. He said he traveled to Pakistan during a period of martial law. At this time when he travelled, no person with a U S passport could get a Visa or would be permitted entry (except diplomatic).

That is completely false as the United States did not have a ban on travel to Pakistan in 1981. In fact, in 1981, travel magazines in the U.S. were writing articles on travel to Pakistan, PIA was flying between JFK and Pakistan and the U.S. was selling arms to Pakistan.


97 posted on 06/25/2009 9:24:08 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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