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AF Flight 447 – We Face A Puzzle!
LuckyBogey's Blog ^ | June 12, 2009 | LuckyBogey

Posted on 06/12/2009 4:36:28 AM PDT by luckybogey

The U.S. Coast Guard assisted the French authorities with the search for Air France Flight 447 by applying their new, advanced SAR software system called the Search and Rescue Optimal Planning System (SAROPS) that generates optimized search area predictions for objects missing at sea... There is “still no link” between the Pitot probe measures speed equip the A330 and the crash of the aircraft of Air France between Rio and Paris on 1 June, reaffirmed on Thursday a spokeswoman Bureau of Investigations Analysis (BEA)... The drainage of water from Pitot was not properly calibrated. Standing water. Everyone knew the weak point... how certain are we that there was no sabotage attempt in the cockpit by a crew member... The commentator Sergio Rodrigues cites a trafficker of arms on board… The United States has also cooperated in the search, since “someone”... asked the Pentagon … to move the Earth observation satellite to help find the Air Force aircraft... The relatives of the passengers are “isolated” in a hotel and can only speak when the company permits...

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TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: airbus; airfrance; bea; usgc

1 posted on 06/12/2009 4:36:28 AM PDT by luckybogey
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To: luckybogey

I do not buy the pitot tube story...never have.

First, the tubes are heated to prevent icing.

Second, multiple tubes are monitored separately. If the readings from the tubes do not agree, a warning is given and you should turn the autopilot off.

Third, the odds of all the tubes giving the same incorrect reading over time is improbable.

I still hold that this was most likely a terrorist act that was testing a new method of explosive delivery. The terrorists know it would take time to solve the mystery, giving them time to conduct a larger-scale attack.


2 posted on 06/12/2009 4:45:54 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: luckybogey
The United States has also cooperated in the search, since “someone”... asked the Pentagon … to move the Earth observation satellite to help find the Air Force aircraft

If you're going to self-promote by posting from your own blog and try to solicit more people stopping by, at least try to make sure that the facts are right.

3 posted on 06/12/2009 4:56:44 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment

Dusty: Since you have no record on this site, I can only assume you are a troll. For your information, many Freepers have asked me to post here on this disaster since the media seems to be asleep at the wheel. I could care less you were to ever visit my blog. It is up to the individual after reading the excerpts. As far as your cite, I guess it is up to English translation until it is verified. Have a good day!


4 posted on 06/12/2009 5:48:48 AM PDT by luckybogey
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To: luckybogey

No record on this site, really??? Check again.

Also, the pitot tube thing is utter BS. I have too many flight hours and too many years working on avionics system to fall for that one.


5 posted on 06/12/2009 6:39:10 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment

My bad on your postings.

After spending several hours overnight translating from 5 different languages including Russian, I did not appreciate your snide remark. I believe ALL of my statements have been correct and if not, have been annotated as unverified or unsourced. Thank You!


6 posted on 06/12/2009 7:52:50 AM PDT by luckybogey
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To: luckybogey
After spending several hours overnight translating from 5 different languages including Russian, I did not appreciate your snide remark.

No apologies required.

7 posted on 06/12/2009 8:32:12 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Erik Latranyi; luckybogey
still hold that this was most likely a terrorist act that was testing a new method of explosive delivery. The terrorists know it would take time to solve the mystery, giving them time to conduct a larger-scale attack.

Thank you for your posts.
Jihadists are ingenious, relentless and patient.
They used a "car bomb" technology during the Reagan Administration at a US miltary target, the Marine barracks in Lebanon, and, again, during the Clinton Administration, at a US civilian target, the World Trade Center, the tallest building in the US and world at the time, symbol of American economic power and world wide supremacy.

On August 11, 1982 a Pan Am World Airways Boeing 747 crashed over the Pacific Ocean. There was only one fatality, probably the pilot making an overseas delivery for Boeing. The likely reason for the crash as reported was a BOMB!!!

On July 3, 1988, one day before our (the USA's ) 4th of July, an Iran Air Airbus A-300 was SHOT DOWN over the Straits of Hormuz killing all 290 aboard.
This is not an accident investigation report.
Flight IR451 arrived at Bandar Abbas from Tehran at 05.10h UTC. At 06.47h the aircraft took off again as flight IR655 bound for Dubai. Two minutes later, the crew reported leaving 3500ft for FL140 on Airway A59, estimating MOBET at 06.53. At 06.54:00 UTC the aircraft passed MOBET out of FL120. Nothing more was heard from IR655. At 06.54:43 two surface-to-air missiles struck the aircraft. The tail and one wing broke off as a result of the explosions, causing the aircraft to crash into the sea out of control. The missiles were fired by the US Navy cruiser USS Vincennes. The Vincennes was operating in the area to protect ships in the area, together with the frigates USS Elmer Montgommery and USS John H. Sides. Due to increasing tension in the area (May 17, 1987 an Iraqi Mirage attacked the USS Stark) all aircraft in the area had to monitor 121.5 Mhz (International Air Defence - IAD radio frequency). At about the time the Airbus took off, the radar picked up a brief IFF mode 2 response, which led to the mistaken identification of the Airbus as a hostile F-14 aircraft. The USS Vincennes issued 7 challenges on the Military Air Distress (MAD) frequency 243 MHz, adressed to 'Iranian aircraft', 'Iranian fighter' or 'Iranian F-14'. These messages were followed by three challenges on the IAD. A number of AEGIS radar operators misread the displays and reported that the incoming plane was descending with an increasing speed. This fact, and the fact that the aircraft didn't respond to the challenges led to the decision to launch two missiles against the perceived hostile target. It remains uncertain whether the IR655 flightcrew (only able to monitor the IAD, not the MAD frequencies) would have been able to rapidly identify their flight as the subject of the challenges made by the USS Vincennes. Source: ICAO Adrep Summary 3/88 (#1); ICAO Circular 260- AN/154 (27-51); Aviation Disasters / D. Gero (200- 202)

On December 21, just days before CHRISTMAS, a Pan Am Boeing 747-121 exploded in midair over Lockerbie, UK, killing all 270 aboard. The likely reason for the crash as reported was a BOMB!!! (b) Cause The in-flight disintegration of the aircraft was caused by the detonation of an improvised explosive device located in a baggage container positioned on the left side of the forward cargo hold at aircraft station 700

(b) Cause

The in-flight disintegration of the aircraft was caused by the detonation of an improvised explosive device located in a baggage container positioned on the left side of the forward cargo hold at aircraft station 700

http://dnausers.d-n-a.net/dnetGOjg/Lockerbie.htm#CONCLUSIONS = major Air diaster

Compensation from Libya
On 29 May 2002, Libya offered up to US$2.7 billion to settle claims by the families of the 270 killed in the Lockerbie bombing, representing US$10 million per family. The Libyan offer was that:

40% of the money would be released when United Nations sanctions, suspended in 1999, were cancelled;
another 40% when U.S. trade sanctions were lifted;

and the final 20% when the U.S. State Department removed Libya from its list of states sponsoring terrorism.
Jim Kreindler of New York law firm Kreindler & Kreindler, which orchestrated the settlement, said:

"These are uncharted waters. It is the first time that any of the states designated as sponsors of terrorism have offered compensation to families of terror victims." The U.S. State Department maintained that it was not directly involved. "Some families want cash, others say it is blood money," said a State Department official. Compensation for the families of the PA103 victims was among the steps set by the UN for lifting its sanctions against Libya. Other requirements included a formal denunciation of terrorism--which Libya said it had already made--and "accepting responsibility for the actions of its officials".[52][53]

On 15 August 2003, Libya's UN ambassador, Ahmed Own, submitted a letter to the UN Security Council formally accepting "responsibility for the actions of its officials" in relation to the Lockerbie bombing.[54] The Libyan government then proceeded to pay compensation to each family of US$8 million (from which legal fees of about US$2.5 million were deducted) and, as a result, the UN cancelled the sanctions that had been suspended four years earlier, and U.S. trade sanctions were lifted. A further US$2 million would have gone to each family had the U.S. State Department removed Libya from its list of states regarded as supporting international terrorism, but as this did not happen by the deadline set by Libya, the Libyan Central Bank withdrew the remaining US$540 million in April 2005 from the escrow account in Switzerland through which the earlier US$2.16 billion compensation for the victims' families had been paid.[55] The United States announced resumption of full diplomatic relations with Libya after deciding to remove it from its list of countries that support terrorism on 15 May 2006.[56]

Libya's acceptance of responsibility very probably amounted to a business deal aimed at having the sanctions overturned, rather than an admission of guilt. On 24 February 2004, Libyan Prime Minister Shukri Ghanem stated in a BBC Radio 4 interview that his country had paid the compensation as the "price for peace" and to secure the lifting of sanctions. Asked if Libya did not accept guilt, he said, "I agree with that." He also said there was no evidence to link Libya with the April 1984 shooting of police officer Yvonne Fletcher outside the Libyan Embassy in London. Gaddafi later retracted Ghanem's comments, under pressure from Washington and London.

A civil action against Libya continued until Feb-18-2005 on behalf of Pan Am and its insurers, which went bankrupt partly as a result of the attack. The airline was seeking $4.5 billion for the loss of the aircraft and the effect on the airline's business.[58] The settlement included an undisclosed payment to the insurers, 33 million to Pam Am of which 30 million was distributed to 15,000 former Pam Am employees, 8000 ticket holders and 1500 other creditors

In the wake of the SCCRC's June 2007 decision, there have been suggestions that, if Megrahi's second appeal is successful and his conviction is overturned, Libya could seek to recover the $2.16 billion compensation paid to the relatives.[60] Interviewed by French newspaper Le Figaro on 7 December 2007, Saif al-Gaddafi said that the seven Libyans convicted for the Pan Am Flight 103 and the UTA Flight 772 bombings "are innocent". When asked if Libya would therefore seek reimbursement of the compensation paid to the families of the victims ($2.33 billion in total), Saif al-Gaddafi replied: "I don't know".

Following discussions in London in May 2008, US and Libyan officials agreed to start negotiations to resolve all outstanding bilateral compensation claims, including those relating to UTA Flight 772, the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing and Pan Am Flight 103.[62] On 14 August 2008, a U.S.-Libya compensation deal was signed in Tripoli by U.S. Assistant Secretary of State David Welch and Libya's Foreign Ministry head of America affairs, Ahmed al-Fatroui. The agreement covers 26 lawsuits filed by American citizens against Libya, and three by Libyan citizens in respect of the U.S. bombing of Tripoli and Benghazi in April 1986 which killed at least 40 people and injured 220.[63] In October 2008 Libya paid $1.5 billion into a fund which will be used to compensate relatives of the
Lockerbie bombing victims with the remaining 20% of the sum agreed in 2003;
American victims of the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing;
American victims of the 1989 UTA Flight 772 bombing;
and, Libyan victims of the 1986 US bombing of Tripoli and Benghazi.

As a result, President Bush has signed an executive order restoring the Libyan government's immunity from terror-related lawsuits and dismissing all of the pending compensation cases in the US, the White House said. U.S. State Department spokesman, Sean McCormack, called the move a "laudable milestone ... clearing the way for a continued and expanding U.S.-Libyan partnership."

In an interview shown in BBC Two's The Conspiracy Files: Lockerbie[66] on 31 August 2008, Saif al-Gaddafi said that Libya had admitted responsibility for the Lockerbie bombing simply to get trade sanctions removed. He went on to describe the families of the Lockerbie victims as very greedy: "They were asking for more money and more money and more money".

Contingency fees for lawyers
On 5 December 2003, Jim Kreindler revealed that his Park Avenue law firm would receive an initial contingency fee of around US$1 million from each of the 128 American families Kreindler represents. The firm's fees could exceed US$300 million eventually. Kreindler argued that the fees were justified, since "Over the past seven years we have had a dedicated team working tirelessly on this and we deserve the contingency fee we have worked so hard for, and I think we have provided the relatives with value for money."[citation needed]

Another top legal firm in the U.S., Speiser Krause, which represented 60 relatives, of whom half were UK families, concluded contingency deals securing them fees of between 28 and 35% of individual settlements. Frank Granito of Speiser Krause noted that "the rewards in the U.S. are more substantial than anywhere else in the world but nobody has questioned the fee whilst the work has been going on, it is only now as we approach a resolution when the criticism comes your way."[citation needed]

In March 2009, it was announced that U.S. lobbying firm, Quinn Gillespie & Associates, received fees of $2 million for the work it did from 2006 through 2008 helping the PA103 relatives obtain payment by Libya of the final $2 million compensation (out of a total of $10 million) that was due to each family.

Conspiracy theories
Main article: Pan Am Flight 103 conspiracy theories Based on a 1995 investigation by journalists Paul Foot and John Ashton, a number of conspiracy theories of the Lockerbie bombing were listed by The Guardian's Patrick Barkham in 1999.[69] Following the Lockerbie verdict in 2001 and the appeal in 2002, attempts have been made to re-open the case amid allegations that Libya was framed. One theory suggests the bomb on the plane was detonated by radio. Another theory suggests the CIA prevented the suitcase containing the bomb from being searched. Iran's involvement is alleged, either in association with a Palestine liberation group, or that it was involved in loading the bomb while the plane was at Heathrow. Other theories implicate Libya and Abu Nidal, and apartheid South Africa.

8 posted on 06/12/2009 9:34:43 PM PDT by circumbendibus (Where's the Birth Certificate?)
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