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Thanks, that link worked. Strange that the search function didn't find that version either. But the "article link" there brought up the original version. For others, I'll put those links here as well

A military assesment of the problem in the US (09/25/97 version) (Old FR format)

A military assesment of the problem in the US (February 23, 2009 version)

(Yes I know "assessment" is misspelled in the titles, but that how it the originals have it.).

However, I think the threads were mistitled, they were not about "Military Assessment". If they had been, the experience of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, or our own in Vietnam, would have be brought up. Are we not as strong a people as the Vietnamese and Afghans? I think we are.

Certainly the way guns and ammunition have flown off the shelves and kept those selves pretty bare, is testimony to how at lest *some* of us feel about the near future.

What we do not need, and might very well get, is a "French Revolution" rather than an "American Revolution" type of affair.

In option two, the comparison to the US Civil War was also not properly explored. In the 1860s it was the north that had the industry, and much of the military hailed from there, not all of course, many of the best officers of the US Army were Southerners. But the key is the industry. Most of the arms industry is no longer in the "blue states". Nor are most of the military bases of much size/population. Plus the blue states would starve, other than California, and even there the agricultural areas are mostly "red", it's just that more people live in the "blue" cities, and thus control the state legislature and executive. Illinois is in a similar pickle.

Also in the 1860s, pure numbers counted for a lot more than they do in the first decades of the 21st century.