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To: GovernmentShrinker
"Get government out of marriage! And not just the federal government.

To advance the discussion, I'm not sure what the logical conclusion of your position is, or perhaps I don't fully understand your position.

Government, at least on some level - county, state, or federal - has to recognize the legal implications of the marriage contract. Or, are you suggesting that no government entity, at any level, make any distinction between a married couple and an "unmarried couple"?

What about adoption laws, state and federal tax laws to include not just income but also inheritance tax laws and community property laws? There's also end-of-life decisions that fall exclusively to the purview of the spouse, and no other. Would you change those laws as well?

10 posted on 05/03/2009 3:30:57 PM PDT by Big_Monkey (Flubama - bringing disease everywhere he goes.)
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To: Big_Monkey
Or, are you suggesting that no government entity, at any level, make any distinction between a married couple and an "unmarried couple"?

Exactly. Government should recognize actual contracts that free citizens enter into according to terms negotiated by themselves.

What about adoption laws, state and federal tax laws to include not just income but also inheritance tax laws and community property laws? There's also end-of-life decisions that fall exclusively to the purview of the spouse, and no other. Would you change those laws as well?

Of course. Why should government be using tax laws and inheritance laws as social engineering tools? And was it really so wonderful that Michael Schiavo had that government-issued license that gave him power to veto the end-of-life choices of ALL of Terri's blood relatives? Community property laws? Sounds great until you're the wife who works to put her husband through medical school, then follows him to the non-community property state where the federal-government mandated National Resident Matching System assigns him, and finds out three years later, when he decides to dump you and run off with a cute young nurse, that with NO NOTICE TO YOU (and no real choice to you, even if you happened to be aware of the difference in state laws), the government has changed the terms of your original marriage, and you now have no rights to the proceeds of the medical degree you bought for your exiting hubby. And say you've stayed with your wife for the sake of the children, even though she's been a shopaholic and treated you like dirt and raised the children to be like her, and you come down with terminal cancer and would like to leave the proceeds of your life insurance policy to your sibling who's been providing round the clock care to your elderly parent with Alzheimer's for the past five years. Should you be forced to give the government a big chunk in taxes for the "privilege" of making that estate choice with your own money?

I repeat, it's really scary how much social conservatives rely on the "need" to perpetuate all sorts of unconstitutional freedom-infringing schemes to justify the party line on government recognition of marriage. Free adult citizens should be free to manage their own lives as they see fit. If one-man-one-woman marriage is really such a wonderful thing, it should be able succeed on its own, and not need to be propped up by government regulation/licensing and government social engineering schemes. People for whom marriage is part of their religious beliefs should be free to draw up their marriage contract in accordance with the teachings of their religion, not have a government-designed contract forced on them as their only option.

14 posted on 05/03/2009 7:06:27 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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