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We could type 50 posts here and probably not change anything for some people. They have a vision of Christianity that is embedded so deeply, they cannot change. I've even heard of a woman that had a home invasion and hid in a closet with a gun next to her and allowed herself to be raped and beaten almost to death because she couldn't bring herself, as a Christian, to shoot the perp.

Many times in our lives, this principle will be put to the test and failing it if pretty serious. The Bible tells us that we must be able to recognize evil and deal with it. God also tells us that if we can't see it, even the "elect" will be fooled. Evil has entered our churches, our government, our culture, and we can't seem to make up our collective minds as to what to do with it. The AntiChrist will take over and persecute the "Church" ( meaning the REAL church) and the other "church" will believe they are doing God's will.

I think the reason abortion and sodomy are such large subjects today is we must be able to agree on the most "in your face" basic tenets of God's Will, or we can't possibly agree on ancillary questions. We have already folded on fornication and adultery and lying. You know everybody does that./sarc

I don't think Jesus will recognize most churches when He returns and His people will be slaughtered by well meaning people that think they know what God would want them to do. The rise of "believers" that accept sodomites and baby killers is most disturbing and I can't imagine what is taught in the pulpit that would fool the people in the pews. Not reading and studying the Bible is destroying Christianity today. When Obama said Jesus covered homosexual marriage in the Sermon on the Mount, there wasn't even a peep from the peanut gallery. This country is lost. I'm afraid God has said "Ichabod" and has left the US. We send missionaries to other countries and I believe they are needed here.

I wholesale agree with you.

excellent points.

And, we don’t really know emphatically with great clarity what the verse about

THE RIGHTEOUS TAKE IT BY FORCE

really means.

Could mean aggressive prayers

and declarations

Could mean more.

I've even heard of a woman that had a home invasion and hid in a closet with a gun next to her and allowed herself to be raped and beaten almost to death because she couldn't bring herself, as a Christian, to shoot the perp.

I said nothing remotely related with that.