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To: Free Descendant
...." but it’s for God to condemn, not us.".....

Sorry, wrong again. We do not condemn people to Hell anymore than we can save them. God's does that alone. We can hang the commie bastard, and God can do as He wishes with His soul. You body and your soul aren't connected.

If Ayres is convicted, and spends the rest of his life in prison, that has nothing to do with his salvation. Jesus said He would that everyone come to salvation, but He knew, and you know that's not going to happen. As long as Ayres is the enemy of God, why pray for his success in destroying God's people? You ask God for His utter and complete defeat of Ayres.

Your relationship with God isn't the same as Ayres relationship with God. Ayres would gut you like a fish if he had the chance. God can forgive Ayres if he asks, just as you had to to form a relationship with God. Ayres is the enemy of God, and ergo your enemy.

Just as a hypothetical, lets say Ayres is convicted of murder and sent to jail. In jail, he come to saving knowledge of Jesus. His life has changed, but he still owes a debt that must be paid. His salvation isn't a "get out of jail free" card.

52 posted on 03/12/2009 9:56:55 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

Good points, imho.


54 posted on 03/12/2009 9:58:33 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: chuckles

I don’t think I really disagree with much of that. I definately never said to pray for his success. I think it would be great to pray for his failure at his evil acts but I don’t know if we ought to pray for someone else’s condemnation. Perhaps I’m wrong, I’m not a theologian but as I read and understand the Bible I’m left with the conviction that I ought not do that in the name of Christ.

Of course being saved doesn’t and shouldn’t spare you man’s law. I definately never suggested that.


61 posted on 03/12/2009 10:52:13 AM PDT by Free Descendant (Palin Power!)
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