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To: marktwain
Yes it is hard to have too much ammo and it will probably be much harder to have too much game.

I'm curious, at just how long does the author think game will abound with millions of people trying to sustain themselves on the stock?

This is assuming a survivalist scenario. Some I don't think it much matters how many guns you have, if you expect to feed yourself through hunting because if the country is thrown back into a stone age, you will probably join tens of millions who die of cold, hunger and disease.

Guns are not of much use against cold, hunger, and disease although they might protect your family against the mob for a while. You might be able to commandeer some shelter, some petroleum, and some foodstuffs but those will probably go to those with arms who are better organized. In any event, guns will not buy you much time.

In the 21st century, with the government possessed of firepower and logistics which we cannot even conceive of, with a potential 300 million people starving and rootless, I don't think our guns will avail us much for long.

Yes we need guns against random acts of violence, against the mob, and even in a desperate last stand against their own government. Beyond this, they offer no solution except perhaps to make the likes of liberals with unfettered power stop and think for half a heartbeat.

If we are worried about saving our families we should look to do it now while there is still something to salvage and before the man on horseback takes everything. We should participate in the system now while there is yet something that can be done. Survivalism is fantasyland which can breed detachment as it encourages a psychic withdrawal causing the very chaos it fears.


5 posted on 03/07/2009 1:33:55 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
There is more to survivaalism than just holding off the evil hordes and clearing the local deer population.

Anyone serious about survival in truly trying times or complete civil/economic breakdown is researching or has researched sustainable self-sufficiency on a technological level of say, 1900, if not 1940, including food production, not just scavenging.

In the event one has not stored suitable quantities of fuel, it is likely draft animals will be required, at least until trade in motor fuels resumes.

For a while, at any rate, there will be considerable numbers of scavengers to deter, educate and convert, or in extremis, eliminate.

A suitable supply of arms and ammunition will facillitate that.

Anyone who lives in an area with (using the math the writer provided) a population of deer not exceeding six times the human population in density is unlikely to be able to hunt for sufficient food. Even the pigeons will disappear from urban landscapes, not to mention pets.

7 posted on 03/07/2009 1:55:55 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: nathanbedford
"I'm curious, at just how long does the author think game will abound with millions of people trying to sustain themselves on the stock?"

If you have been to the range lately, you probably have noticed that we are no longer a nation of marksmen! Most of the ammo that is used in the course of a hunting season ends up in trees or in the dirt so the game may last a little longer than projected.

21 posted on 03/07/2009 5:23:34 AM PST by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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