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1 posted on 03/03/2009 9:37:03 PM PST by arkadyka
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This bill passes, and 2000+ DJ points will come out of the market so fast it won’t be believed.


2 posted on 03/03/2009 9:39:19 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Mr. Bernanke, have you started working on your book about the second GREATER depression?")
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It’s the War on Wealth.


4 posted on 03/03/2009 10:02:55 PM PST by Raster Man
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RECIPE TO KILL THE MARKET:

“The way it will work, is to simply levy a .25% on every transaction.” — on EVERY TRANSACTION!!!!

IOW, you pay tax when you buy and also when you sell.

Traders tend to trade a lot of shares and make a very small percent, they make money, because of the large amounts they are RISKING. They make many transactions a day, buying and selling different stocks all in one day.

E.g. someone buys 10000 shares of a $10.00 per share of stock, so that is $100,000 to buy. He pays $250 in taxes.

Later that day he sells the stock for say 10.20, for 102000.
He pays another $255 in taxes.

His profit would have been $2000, but now he paid $505, in other words, 25% tax on his profits! So he is left with $1,500 (rounded up)

Then he has to pay income tax on it, as regular income on $1500 — 39% federal and some sales income tax, say 10 %, again, rounded up, that’s 50% of the 1500, or $750 NET profit.

So after he made $2,000 profit, by RISKING his own money,
he only gets to keep $750!!!!!, having paid
62% in taxes.

As any traders, if they want to RISK their own money, when they only get to keep 37% of their profit.


6 posted on 03/03/2009 10:09:36 PM PST by FocusNexus ("Good and evil are present in this world, and between the two there can be no compromise." GW Bush)
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If you think that’s bad, imagine the futures/commodities market.

Futures trade in incredibly large denominations...a single oil future is something like 100,000 barrels. Treasury futures are $100,000 and $200,000 each; Eurodollar futures are $1 million. Corn and soybeans are comparably large amounts.

Do you have any idea how illiquid these markets would become if one transaction on a single contract cost $2500, and your profit margin was going to be less than that to begin with?

This would destroy futures markets, meaning it would be impossible for farmers, drillers, or manufacturers to do business. There would also be no foreign exchange (except perhaps for government transactions), making travel and international trade virtually impossible.


8 posted on 03/03/2009 10:15:55 PM PST by BobbyT
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We could use Wall Street and the Chicago Merchantile Exchange for homeless shelters because every bit of major financial transactions would move out of the United States within hours.
9 posted on 03/03/2009 10:28:29 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Obama: removing the speed limit on the Road to Serfdom)
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this bill would be the death of liquidity in the market, and presumably of the market itself.

for stocks, this will end program trading as it exists now, and also reduce liquidity hideously. I don’t know if a market-maker or proprietary firm trading exception is even contemplated. Even 1/10th% would be a disaster. Traders across the street would suddenly see their way of life become anywhere from a lot less profitable to a net-loss.

The scary thing is that there are no functional rules anymore on what can or cannot actually be passed, even some moronic legislation like this. There has been a stealth coup and the financial environment is being used as an excuse to do everything the looters have wanted to do for decades.

I watched an interview with the rep who offered this bill, and it was pretty clear he has negative emotional issues related to traders. He apparently has often proposed this kind of madness.


11 posted on 03/03/2009 10:39:30 PM PST by WoofDog123
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Let Bawney, and Chris pay for it!

They broke it, they should buy it!

15 posted on 03/04/2009 1:36:49 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology)
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TARP was shoved down our throats by the liberals, largely rejected by the GOP and force fed to the American public.

"Rejected by the GOP?" Give me a break!


16 posted on 03/04/2009 5:57:01 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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