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Charges Being Filed Against Geert Wilders For Hate Speech Because Of His Criticism Of Islam
STEVELACKNER.COM ^ | January 21, 2009 | Steven W. Lackner

Posted on 01/21/2009 11:42:04 PM PST by stevelackner

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1 posted on 01/21/2009 11:42:04 PM PST by stevelackner
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To: stevelackner

So what if he is correct? Is it still illegal to make a negative comment if it’s true? Or is it a crime to say anything negative regardless of it’s truth?


2 posted on 01/21/2009 11:49:39 PM PST by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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To: stevelackner

BREAKING NEWS; I’m going to bed. Good night.


3 posted on 01/21/2009 11:51:22 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: highlander_UW

Time to be grateful that we still have truth as defense in America. In the U.K. a newspaper was found guilty of slander for saying Liberace was gay...


4 posted on 01/21/2009 11:52:42 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: highlander_UW

This is chilling!

TERRORISM PAYS!!


5 posted on 01/21/2009 11:53:55 PM PST by aquila48
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To: stevelackner

BTTT


6 posted on 01/21/2009 11:54:41 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: stevelackner

I saw that Bloomberg reported that more than 40 people reported the editorial to the police...


7 posted on 01/21/2009 11:57:27 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB
Time to be grateful that we still have truth as defense in America. In the U.K. a newspaper was found guilty of slander for saying Liberace was gay...

Not that UK law has to make sense, but the definition of slander has at it's core the requirement that it's a false statement. I've wondered at terms such as "hate crimes". Why isn't the penalty for the crime itself sufficient? Why does it need to be magnified if some special group is the victim? Shouldn't all citizens be equally protected under the law?

8 posted on 01/21/2009 11:58:29 PM PST by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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To: highlander_UW

>>I’ve wondered at terms such as “hate crimes”. Why isn’t the penalty for the crime itself sufficient? Why does it need to be magnified if some special group is the victim? Shouldn’t all citizens be equally protected under the law?<<

Agreed. Even for heinous crimes like lynching black people it would seem like terrorism laws would cover it rather than special laws for a race or religious group.


9 posted on 01/22/2009 12:12:01 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: holdonnow

ping


10 posted on 01/22/2009 12:15:04 AM PST by AliVeritas (Prayers for Israel.)
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To: stevelackner

Half the Koran is hate speech. The rest is Mohamed’s hallucinations


11 posted on 01/22/2009 12:16:39 AM PST by dennisw (he put the following words in the mouth of his sock puppet deity:......)
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To: highlander_UW

Actually, slander is a vocal slur. A newspaper commits libel.

So, the issue would be: a) is it true? Was Liberace gay? If he was, then there is no libel. Truth is the ultimate defence against any such charge.

b) if Liberace was not gay, did the newspaper know that and yet continue its assertion? In other words, were they knowingly lying? Difficult to prove.

c) Even if the assertion was true, would it still matter? Libel implies a negative connotation, but we are constantly being told now that sexuality is either implicit in your genetic makeup, or merely a lifestyle choice, and one that is “equally valid” with anything else.

In the first case if the newspaper was guilty of that they could presumably be sued for making any kind of comment on someones personal characteristis, like alleging that someones eyes are blue.

If the second, the suers are implying that gayness impugns the character and is therefore a “bad thing”. If that is so, I think they could be guilty of a “hate crime” myself :)


12 posted on 01/22/2009 12:24:50 AM PST by Vanders9
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If the second, the suers are implying that gayness impugns the character and is therefore a “bad thing”. If that is so, I think they could be guilty of a “hate crime” myself :)

I noted that implication of their claim as well. I wonder if that was too subtle for them to grasp.

13 posted on 01/22/2009 12:36:42 AM PST by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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To: Vanders9
Truth is the ultimate defence against any such charge.

The reference was to the UK, not to the US.

14 posted on 01/22/2009 1:09:35 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Vanders9

I don’t know about Dutch laws.. but this is scary... You know who had comparable “Hate” crime laws? Josef Stalin. do you know what the “hate” was? Anything the state disagreed with..


15 posted on 01/22/2009 1:36:53 AM PST by babubabu
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To: stevelackner

Completely bogus. We should start a fund and do a protest.
No matter how small, the message would be delivered.


16 posted on 01/22/2009 3:20:54 AM PST by romanesq
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To: highlander_UW

You can say whatever you care to that disparages Christianity, Jews or Hindus, ya just can’t say anything that disparages islam.
Well I would be in jail of beheaded cause I certainly say awful things about islam and its insane f-ed up followers.


17 posted on 01/22/2009 3:25:29 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: highlander_UW

Probably. Not that it would matter. To these people “rights” are the preserve of only certain sections of society.


18 posted on 01/22/2009 3:39:33 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Gondring

Doesn’t matter. In either UK or US legal systems, truth is the ultimate defence against any charge of libel or slander.

The ability of “hate laws” to circumvent that long standing legal absolute is what makes them so potentially dangerous.


19 posted on 01/22/2009 3:43:10 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: romanesq

Agree!

We should find an effective way to show support for WILDERS and furthermore for freedom of speech about religions,thoughts or opinions...

Liberal leaders in Europe,and in USA now,are trying to appease the islamic word and the muslims...as they don’t seem exactly to get the right nature of the threat from a world-wide totalitarian foundamentaly aggressive and warrior religion fueled by a high level of frustration against the developped “free” western countries.

Muslim leaders also understand that the “western”,previously judeo-christian,world is weakened by doubdts,divisions,cultural and psychological troubles and low demography


20 posted on 01/22/2009 3:43:36 AM PST by Ulysse
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