Posted on 01/20/2009 9:42:15 AM PST by Kevmo
What you posted didn’t address a single thing that I asked. I asked if the situation exposed weaknesses in determining the Constitutional qualification of a candidate, and you said you “haven’t seen anything to suggest the new President isn’t a citizen of the United States of America.
***Typical of the obfuscations we’ve been seeing.
To me, there is nothing as important as truth. Nothing. Everything else is secondary or even further down the list. Has truth been served in this election? I don’t think so.
Those who taunt, naysay and sling words like “troothers” and “birthers” and “kook” around seem to have little regard for truth. Even is someone thinks that 0bama is most likely a natural born citizen (and even they can’t be SURE as he has produced no proof, one way or the other) should be interested in the truth. If such people think that people like you, me and others who want the truth are idiots and kooks, what does that say about their desire to have the truth?
Anyone who says stuff like “move on” etc is not caring much about truth. And I’m all for trying to get real conservatives elected - heck, isn’t that the goal? - but after four years of 0bama it’s not going to be easier, it’ll be harder.
As a sort of side point, it is clearly that the GOP leadership [sic] need to be cleaned out like the Augean stables. Spineless, power hungry, egocentric with who knows what kind of hidden dirty laundry - they don’t represent me.
Here’s a hypothetical I posted at Intrade, which generated some insightful conversation.
https://bb.intrade.com/intradeForum/posts/list/555/2279.page
Here’s a set of hypotheticals for you. Let’s say you’re a loyal Roman republican with 5 buddies watching Caesar cross the Rubicon with his army, and you know full well what that means for the Roman republic. What is your duty at that point?
Let’s say you’re a loyal German who believes in democracy and you see Hitler making tanks instead of VW’s as he has promised the peepull. What is your duty at that point?
Let’s say you’re a loyal american constitutionalist and you see a marxist usurper cheating his way to the presidency, you file a lawsuit and it gets thrown out of SCOTUS within a week of the inauguration. What is your duty at that point?
I know, I know... no one ever really addresses a good hypothetical. Here’s an example: If the sky were green, would more people have green eyes? Many people say stuff like, “of course the sky ain’t green” or they go into the physics behind why the sky ain’t green or they ask you why you aren’t in with the yellow-eyed crowd or they say green-eyed people are just monsters or all kinds of things, but they never really address the hypothetical. So I shouldn’t hold out any hope that you’d be different.
But at least I’m on record with trying to stop this constitutional travesty and if I wander back to my farm in the highlands rather than continue the fight through further futile Roman Empire politics, that’s my business. The only guy who survived in that movie of ‘300’ was the one whose job it was to tell the history.
If such people think that people like you, me and others who want the truth are idiots and kooks, what does that say about their desire to have the truth?
***What does it say about Free Republic that they’re allowed to operate in their constitutionally agnostic (or should we say obviously anti-constitutionalist) tactics & perspectives? The guys posting chemtrail conspiracies & Vince Foster nonsense & other Arkancides & illuminati &etc. were given a wider berth than this. I don’t freeping get it.
several of you need
***I see another classy grave dancer has chimed in. From the article thread : “I will kindly ask those who’ve been operating against us to refrain from the usual “give up the tinfoil hat conspiracy stuff” and gloating and contrariness. It amounts to dancing on the grave of the constitution; this is a constitutionalist website, so show some Freeping respect. If you want to gloat or dance on the grave or whatever, start a thread and do it and ask us show you respect.”
“Certifigate Post Mortem”
If anyone wants proof of “life after death”..., just keep watching Certifigate... :-)
The rule of law is now the rule of federal dictate.
We are at the stage encountered when the Declaration of Independence was written and signed.
The people in the voting majority will be the people for whom the federal oligarchy focuses, to consolidate the federal jobs, and the powers of labor and income for those industries sympathetic to federal rule.
The unions will be empowered on a much broader scale now, the state legislatures will be made beholden to the federal coffers to stay afloat and pay the state government employees, and the orgs that can deliver the number of votes (not voters, the number of votes) will be financially empowered and put to work consolidating the power of the ruling party, the Democrats.
America ceased to be a Constitutional Republic and slid into being a federal oligarchy today, and most of the people heiling and bowing before this affirmative action fraud want it that way ... and perhaps a few conservative website owners and talking-head show clowns in radio and television.
Time to not make waves, to avoid becoming the focus of federal goons wielding a fairness doctrine. Standing up for the Constitution is too risky, draws too much attention. After all, the clause of eligibility for the presidency is so weak, so ... passe.
Meant to ping you guys.
I think much prayer and deep contemplation is the next step.
We are at the stage encountered when the Declaration of Independence was written and signed.
***Yikes.
The people in the voting majority will be the people for whom the federal oligarchy focuses, to consolidate the federal jobs, and the powers of labor and income for those industries sympathetic to federal rule.
***Good analysis. A sort of majoritized fascism.
The unions will be empowered on a much broader scale now, the state legislatures will be made beholden to the federal coffers to stay afloat and pay the state government employees, and the orgs that can deliver the number of votes (not voters, the number of votes) will be financially empowered and put to work consolidating the power of the ruling party, the Democrats.
***And when it all comes crashing down, they’ll blame the republicans. A perfect scam.
America ceased to be a Constitutional Republic and slid into being a federal oligarchy today,
***I agree. Historians will see this as the crossing of the Rubicon.
and most of the people heiling and bowing before this affirmative action fraud want it that way ...
***Like Germans did in the 1930’s. It wasn’t imposed from the top against the wishes of the majority population.
and perhaps a few conservative website owners and talking-head show clowns in radio and television.
***I can see that for the radio & TV clowns because they’re in a business to make money.
Time to not make waves, to avoid becoming the focus of federal goons wielding a fairness doctrine.
***Yup. When I first signed on at FR, there was a lot of discussion about Clintoon going after conservatives with tax audits. That’s where I got my original login name. Now we just have to see what tools zer0bama will use. Tax audits, fairness doctrine, new declaration of independence, “constitution is a fundamentally flawed document” - type thinking, Obama version of brown shirts, online worshippers, Chicago politics tactics learned at the feet of William Ayers and Rev. Wright... there seems to be a lot more tools for zer0bama than Clintoon had. I remember seeing comments that if there were an internet around in 1992, Clintoon would never have been elected. Well, there’s an internet now, and that didn’t start a marxist usurper with terrorist ties and a wife & pastor who hate America from becoming president.
Standing up for the Constitution is too risky, draws too much attention. After all, the clause of eligibility for the presidency is so weak, so ... passe.
***Maybe FR should just change that first line on the front page, in the “Statement by FR’s Founder:
In our continuing fight for freedom, for America and our constitution “...
You said — “What I learned is that the Constitution means nothing as long as the people vote for an unqualified candidate, the electoral college ignores it, the congress ignores it, and the supreme court swears him in.”
When you don’t analyze the situation correctly, you come up with a defeatist attitude like that. It’s like saying that the laws against murder doesn’t mean anything anymore since O.J. “got away with it”....
No, I’m sorry, but the laws against murder are still just as effective as they were before.
Likewise, with this situation, the Constitution is still just as viable now as it was a few years before you ever heard of Obama.
The *analysis* of the problem is that no one knows for sure — “legally speaking” — if Obama violated the provisions of the Constitution in terms of eligibility. There hasn’t been any proof that any court has *adjudicated* and affirmed is legally true. Until that happens, you just don’t know for sure.
And for those who say they *do know for sure* — then, I would ask why a court has not agreed with you? That’s the only *result* that counts, not you or someone else “just knowing so”.
As far as being an “unqualified candidate” — no, the “process” that we’ve always used in the past — Obama *did qualify* under. He and the campaign and the party signed papers with the states affirming that he qualified and they were notarized. That was the same thing that was required of all the other Presidential candidates. So Obama *did qualify* in the same way everyone else had before.
It’s only *in your own mind* that you’re saying that the Constitution is “useless” and not viable any more. It’s not true in real life.
That’s a defeatist attitude resulting from the wrong analysis of the situation.
The Constitution is still there, it’s still valid and nothing has been changed in the Constitution. No provisions have been made void and not usable in the future. It’s all just as valid as it has been.
whoa kevmo,
my reply/link was TO the ‘grave dancers’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2167975/posts?page=24
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Total insanity has already taken over. Anyone not realizing this at this point in time is living in denial.
24 posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:14:51 AM by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
Courtesy ping to Dead Corpse
You said — “I look at it this way. The Constitution and our way of government was our social contract. It has been broken. When will the people put it back? Only when they feel the pain of doing without it.”
I see nothing “legal’ that says the Constitution, as the “law” is “broken”. It’s still just as valid and just as binding as it ever was.
Just because people couldn’t prove a “guilty party” — guilty — doesn’t mean the law is not valid. This sort of thing happens in courts all the time, and the “law” still stands and is still enforced.
You have a defeatist attitude to say that it’s been broken...
my reply/link was TO the ‘grave dancers’
***Then I withdraw my post, mea culpa & all that. I can’t get that website link to load up and it says something about maniacs... so I got the wrong idea. Sometimes what we’ll see is taunters post a link with a URL similar to that and it’s just a way of wasting Freepers’ time & patience. Perhaps you could just post what your thoughts are rather than rely upon a sporadic link?
“I would ask why a court has not agreed with you?”
The court also said the local governments can take your property for any reason they so choose and sell it to whomever they desire. So much for the courts obeying the Constitution or the foundations of this nation.
The courts did not rule Obama was a US citizen. They simply ruled no one has standing to demand he prove it.
Fine, let’s get Arnold in as simply lie and swear he is eligible. According to you that is all that is required, which is completely false. The Constitution does not say, “Well, screw the natural born thing. Just get a few people to swear to it.”
You said — “But you can’t deny that this exposed a weakness in the enforcement of clauses in the Constitution. What would you change for the next time?.
Enact state laws specifically requiring certain documentation in the statute language that the Secretary of State must get from the candidate in order to prove his eligibility under the Constitution, or else he cannot go on that state’s ballot.
“The Constitution is still there, it’s still valid and nothing has been changed in the Constitution. No provisions have been made void and not usable in the future. It’s all just as valid as it has been.”
Nice popagana ya got there. What do you expect the courts to say, “Yeah, we’re violating the Hell out of this thing.” According to you, the courts could easily say, “Shoot the short people.” and it would all be legal.
When would a person like you ever think the government has gone beyond their legal authority? Is there ever a point?
it was sent by a friend .
good inspiration example of NOT Giving Up until the end.
i thought it appropiate since the Gds seem to be out in force today
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