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Certifigate Post Mortem
Vanity ^ | Jan 20, 2009 | Kevmo

Posted on 01/20/2009 9:42:15 AM PST by Kevmo

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To: Kevmo
"Of course, if Obama knows that he is not “a natural born Citizen” who never renounced his American citizenship, then he also knows that he and his henchmen have perpetrated numerous election-related frauds throughout the country—the latest, still-ongoing one a colossal swindle targeting the American people as a whole. If that is the case, his refusal “to be a witness against himself” is perfectly explicable and even defensible on the grounds of the Fifth Amendment. Howsoever justified as a matter of criminal law, though, Obama’s silence and inaction will not obviate the necessity for him to prove his eligibility for “the Office of President.” The Constitution may permit him to “take the Fifth;” but it will not suffer him to employ that evasion as a means to usurp the Presidency of the United States."

- Edwin Vieira, Jr.

121 posted on 01/21/2009 12:27:53 PM PST by EternalVigilance (God is watching and listening.)
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To: EternalVigilance

LOL!


122 posted on 01/21/2009 3:30:35 PM PST by luvadavi (Chinese curse: may you live in interesting times...)
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To: EternalVigilance

A constitutional usurper cannot have constitutional authority. If he’s not qualified, his actions are unenforcable. Any actions taken to enforce his decisions are themselves unlawful.
***So that remains to be seen. Anyone who doesn’t like the law that Obama passes can challenge the law on this premise. And we all get to buy popcorn.

How would such a challenge manifest itself? Let’s say some company decides they don’t like his green initiative and files a lawsuit saying they’re not responsible to fulfill the law since he’s not an eligibile pres. The lawsuit is likely to get dismissed all the way up the line to the SCOTUS, the same SCOTUS who took a pass when they could have stopped this debacle. SCOTUS will likely dismiss the case without ever looking at it. Then what would be that company’s recourse?


123 posted on 01/21/2009 5:03:40 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: EternalVigilance

Neither does the title foreign-born president.
***But the title president DOES exist and he’s assuming that role. He’s issuing orders and living in the white house and flying Air Force One and all that stuff. He is the acting, de facto president. The only way to remove him is with impeachment.


124 posted on 01/21/2009 5:07:16 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: EternalVigilance

The Constitution may permit him to “take the Fifth;” but it will not suffer him to employ that evasion as a means to usurp the Presidency of the United States.”
***I agree that this is what the constitution says. It’s a complete tragedy that those we entrust with upholding the constitution have sold us down the river. The evasion worked, unfortunately.

Dr. Taitz case Lightfoot v Bowen has disappeared from the docket - Why?
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:03:40 PM · 31 of 33
LucyT to unspun; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; ..
All the cases on Obama’s eligibility, even the pending ones, have been removed from the SCOTUS website.
Ping again.

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125 posted on 01/21/2009 5:11:16 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo

Maybe they care, in an abstract way, but they have come to take it for granted so much that they think it’ll always be there, like the sun or the sky; indestructible, no man can put it asunder...they might get a surprise with this new gang in Washington.


126 posted on 01/21/2009 5:14:55 PM PST by luvadavi (Chinese curse: may you live in interesting times...)
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To: Political Junkie Too

And how would you force that to happen? Nobody could make it hapen this time, and the issue was identified in plenty of time before the election. We were impotent to do anything, and that is the chilling wake-up call. Like 9-11, this wasn’t supposed to happen here.


127 posted on 01/21/2009 10:44:29 PM PST by informavoracious
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To: Kevmo

Bump for later.


128 posted on 01/21/2009 10:46:27 PM PST by Freedom56v2
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To: informavoracious
And how would you force that to happen? Nobody could make it hapen this time...

The question is not what to do this time. This time is done. It's all about next time.

Next time is 2012, and if Obama chooses to run for re-election he would have to comply with the laws in place in 2012, regardless of the fact that he is president now.

If we change the "proof of qualification" laws, could Obama re-qualify in 2012? Being the incumbant would not exempt him from re-qualifying, or he wouldn't need to run again to keep his job. If he runs again, he would have to comply with the same laws as his competitors, or there isn't "equal protection."

-PJ

129 posted on 01/21/2009 11:21:17 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: Kevmo; EternalVigilance

“The guardians of whether he’s “constitutionally qualified” are the SCOTUS. They stuck their cowardly heads in the sand and let the issue go by unexamined. They abrogated their responsibility and completely violated the trust we the people place in them”

Do you have a sneaking suspicion that Roberts’ flub while administering the oath to the Usurper resulted from a guilty conscience?


130 posted on 01/22/2009 4:59:08 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

Do you have a sneaking suspicion that Roberts’ flub while administering the oath to the Usurper resulted from a guilty conscience?
***Yes, but that and $4 will get me a cup of coffee.


131 posted on 01/22/2009 8:33:00 AM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo

True, but it nevertheless affords a certain satisfaction to note that the Chief of the 9 Gutless Wonders probably realizes that he has done something horrendous.

Don’t let the bastards get you down Kev!


132 posted on 01/22/2009 10:24:58 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Kevmo; MHGinTN; little jeremiah; LucyT; pissant; Calpernia; Polarik; PhilDragoo; ...
I'll post this, & then hope to get back on Fri. I have not read all the posts.

Post Mortem? or, just begun to fight?

#48 = by MHGinTN ...Time to not make waves, to avoid becoming the focus ... Standing up for the Constitution is too risky, ... After all, the clause of eligibility for the presidency is so weak, so ... passe.

Is this #48 the current FR conclusion / consensus?

The WND Petition is still online. TO: (partial) Congress, Federal Elections Commission, U.S. Supreme Court, other controlling legal authorities

Should we continue to publicly promote this? (I think yes.)

WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Join 215,000 others in seeking citizenship proof
Petition demands verification of Obama's eligibility


20th amendment would no longer apply... Alan Keyes & other Const. 'experts' agree?

Should we refer to him as "President", or as "Usurper Obama"?

What are the best summaries AND soundbytes of why we should care / or have cared about this?

133 posted on 01/22/2009 4:59:16 PM PST by Golden Gate
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To: Golden Gate; Kevmo; All

Someone on another thread mentioned starting a website dedicated to this. I think it is a good idea. Hmm, just tried to find where I read it and now I can’t...

Anyway, the poster opined that it would be a good idea to have a dedciate 0bama eligibility website with factual evidence, what isn’t true, and so on.

IMO Post Mortem is good for the pre-[fraudulent]inauguration, now the next phase begins.

This fiend plans to destroy everything that is good about our country. We cannot allow him to do this. It seems as though our elected and appointed officials don’t want to do anything to stop him (as far as I know) although I am still hoping that the SCOTUS will do something. But giving up? NO ****ING WAY! Giving up is giving in to those who want to ruin us.


134 posted on 01/22/2009 5:52:55 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Golden Gate

Time to not make waves, to avoid becoming the focus ... Standing up for the Constitution is too risky, ... After all, the clause of eligibility for the presidency is so weak, so ... passe.

Is this #48 the current FR conclusion / consensus?
***If this were the current FR conclusion/consensus then JimRob would not have told me to stop hunting trolls. Besides, it looks to me like a tongue-in-cheek post.

The WND Petition is still online. TO: (partial) Congress, Federal Elections Commission, U.S. Supreme Court, other controlling legal authorities Should we continue to publicly promote this? (I think yes.)
***Absolutely.

20th amendment would no longer apply... Alan Keyes & other Const. ‘experts’ agree?
***It’s difficult to get the ‘experts’ to agree when it comes to this issue. Note that none of the resident constitutional FR experts have logged onto this thread.

Should we refer to him as “President”, or as “Usurper Obama”?
***Whichever suits you. I like the 2nd one.

What are the best summaries AND soundbytes of why we should care / or have cared about this?
***You’re way too late in asking this. That’s a bit like asking the captain of the titanic what his preferred design of his rescue tugboat would have been.


135 posted on 01/22/2009 8:07:15 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Scanian

Don’t let the bastards get you down Kev!
***Thanks for the encouragement. Answer all the questions in post #109 and maybe you’ll understand how I feel.


136 posted on 01/22/2009 8:10:42 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo

I see your point. I also wonder what’s up with JimRob these days.


137 posted on 01/23/2009 6:04:19 AM PST by Scanian
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To: luvadavi

You said — “We know you live for these threads, you require it for yhour own big fat ego—find another playground. Beam up to wherever you’re from, warp factor 5, —just, GET LOST, OK?”

Well, I can tell you that not even a small fraction of my posts (of 11,833 posts) on Free Republic have been about Obama. So, that would “give the lie” to the idea that I “live for these threads”... LOL...

I was posting about a wide variety of subjects before Obama and even during the time of Obama.

The fact that you may not like a poster’s opinions or comments is not a valid reason for them to “get lost”... :-)


138 posted on 01/23/2009 10:56:18 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

Brazen. You not only heavily infest these threads, but use half a page comments! But that’s OK—soon as I see, “You said—”, & the asterisks, I just skim on to the next comment. LOL!


139 posted on 01/23/2009 11:19:52 AM PST by luvadavi (Chinese curse: may you live in interesting times...)
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To: luvadavi

Well, I appreciate you moving on to the next comment. There’s no use getting aggravated over an issue that is dead...

[note, none of the markers here... hoo-boy...]


140 posted on 01/23/2009 11:28:13 AM PST by Star Traveler
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