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To: silverleaf
The collusion (perceived or real) between the Vatican and the Third Reich caused a great deal of cynicism in Europe following the war. The reason I mention this and Buchanan's Catholicism is that you connected him “fundamentalist sects”. While those groups may also hold this antisemitism, Buchanan is clearly from the mainline RCC. And Mel Gibson is clearly antisemitic. Underlying this is, IMHO, a distinct misunderstanding of the Gospel. Since much of Catholicism is based upon the actions of man taking part in the seven sacraments (the man himself) and the actions of man absloving the penitent sinner from sin (the priesthood), it is not a huge extension to hold Israel responsible for the death of Jesus. Even the words of Acts 2:22,23 (Peter's first public remarks) seem to lend credibility to this misunderstanding. But, Israel is a picture of all of humanity and in particular the "chosen" (elect) of God. We are the guilty. We drove the nails, we are the desparately needy. But, Gibson et al turns this "mirror" around and uses it to blame the Jews. Here is the "fundamental" error.
28 posted on 01/09/2009 7:04:22 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Yes, I have seen an irrational prejudice against the Jewish homeland by those traditional pre-Vatican II types as well. I wonder if they would see it differently if Israel was populated by Anglo Catholics? The image of brave people defending their homeland against the Muslim hordes?


31 posted on 01/09/2009 7:24:06 AM PST by Augustinian monk ("Can't we try bombing them with kindness?")
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To: Dutchboy88
well, I used the term “sect” or fundamentalism”, really meaning- the true core beliefs, or values of certain “Christians” - and how they in their hearts believe and interpret may not be in sync with the official doctrinal teaching or position of whatever denomination or religion they belong to. Does that make sense?

I think Jimmy Carter is (or was) a Southern Baptist. Now, are Southern Baptists a sect? no. Are Southern Baptists (or Catholics) Jew haters or otherwise antisemitic on some level?

No- not as a denomination. But “some” people are and it is their belief.

I've a former Baptist friend with a Jewish husband (Rick) who recently was invited for tea at the home of a friend of a friend- an older Baptist “church lady”- who pointedly addressed the unwillingness of Jews to accept Jesus as Their saviour blah blah blah. It was very uncomfortable for them but they laughed it off.

Unfortunately, Rick does not know the hearts and beliefs of enough gentiles to know whether this old woman was an anomaly, or a “threat” to him by rejecting him as a moral person.

I think that this moral rejection of Judaism lies at the heart of Carter and Buchanan's hostility toward Israel- but they would never admit that, focusing instead on acts and politics to justify their resentment and dislike.

35 posted on 01/09/2009 7:43:12 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Dutchboy88

“But, Gibson et al turns this “mirror” around and uses it to blame the Jews. Here is the “fundamental” error.”

I agree and I am often confused by any Christian who places “blame” on the Jewish people for “killing” Jesus. Without Jesus’ selfless act of dying for our sins, the gift of salvation would not have been realized.


38 posted on 01/09/2009 8:40:07 AM PST by CSM (IÂ’m jubilant! Now that the Dems are completely in charge, we can FINALLY blame THEM for everything!)
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