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To: bvw

I dont agree with you that this is simply a matter of feelings (in the sense of emotions.) One can make rational judgments about human behaviors in the absence of complete set of facts. Juries are compelled to do this every day.

My thinking goes like this. Although I grant it is possible, the notion that Obama would run for president knowing he was not born in the U.S. strains credulity. He is an attorney. Were he born elsewhere, he would realize that were he found out, it would ruin him for life. That is why I have had doubts about the born-in-Kenya concept from the get-go.

That said, the fact remains that he has spent millions of dollars fighting to keep the original cert secret. It likewise strains credulity that he would do this were there nothing on the cert to hide.

I don’t see that emotions have anything to do with either position.


269 posted on 01/07/2009 11:18:27 AM PST by freespirited
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To: freespirited
Okay, that's a rational explanation. There are two facts that make it up.

Fact One (per the order you have brought them up in postings) -- that Obama's spending a lot of money to not produce something that is ordinary and essentially free of expense to produce. Something most every citizen has to produce many times in his life.

Fact Two (introduced in your last post) -- it is either self-evident or common knowledge that most people would not present themselves for a public and famous position for which the requirement is clear and unambiguous and yet they do not meet it. I accept that as a Fact Two as a fact too.

That is, I accept the following restatement of "Fact Two": that being that it it a reasonable presumption that a normal candidate for President will have reason to believe he/she is eligible under the natural born requirement.

And, I only accept that the restatement of Fact Two is fact of probability, not of certainty. There are a number of facts that challenge it -- one is that other candidates for President in this election were naturalized and NOT native born. Róger Calero was on a number of state ballots (Socialist Workers Party), and he is a resident alien -- not even a citizen!

Another fact that challenges the probalistic Fact Two is an ancient one: hubris, greed for power. Politicians are notorious for their sense of entitlement and ego. That's a fact too. And it suggests that the sense of propriety most normal citizens have in regard to vetting themselves for a duty, for the requirements of an office firstly by themselves which is a civic duty of the honest, is found to be a lessened sense among the political class.

When Reagan said: "Trust but verify" -- he was speaking a political truth, an axiom of far stronger value applied in political context than everyday life. In everyday life Reagan's adice is helpful -- but in politics and statecraft it is a necessity.

A third fact that challenges Fact Two is actually a whole file folder of facts -- an empty file folder, in a way. It;s that file folder which holds all the "open" records of Obama's history. Its emptiness testifies that Obama is hiding something, and something more than a simple one-shot embarrassment on his CoLB.

Therefore I'd ask you to re-evaluate the conclusion you drew from Fact One and Fact Two.

287 posted on 01/07/2009 12:24:04 PM PST by bvw
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To: freespirited

Although I grant it is possible, the notion that Obama would run for president knowing he was not born in the U.S. strains credulity. He is an attorney.
***These two sentences have a tendency to counteract eachother.


289 posted on 01/07/2009 1:40:44 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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