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To: papagall
As I posted elsewhere, Virginia's birthright law was written 12 years before the US Constitution, and Jefferson was not a framer of the US Constitution. He contributed exactly nothing to its drafting, which hardly makes him an authority on it.

BTW, I use the same argument when debating with atheists who like to Jefferson on the supposed "wall of separation" of Church and state.

Furthermore, Virginia did not have a 3rd class of citizen. They just had two: natural born and naturalized. If you were not a natural born citizen, i.e. you were not born in Virginia to a US citizen father, you were not a Virginian citizen at birth and had to be later naturalized. This was overturned when the 14th Amendment was passed.

As to Vittel, his definition was hardly authoritative and not the only one in use at the time.

As to the courts, they recognize only two categories of citizen: natural born and naturalized. There is no third category.

45 posted on 01/06/2009 12:07:25 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

You, like most Obamanoid apologists, seem given to making assertions which are hollow, at best: “As to the courts, they recognize only two categories of citizen: natural born and naturalized. There is no third category.” Since the courts have never ruled on a case of Presidential ineligibility based upon the natural born citizen issue, but have used the term in other rulings, I’d say your opinion is no more valid than mine of Thomas Jefferson’s. But you do have a persistent deceitful energy to champion your Obamessiah. Are we now going to contemplate citizenship SCOTUS cases, as your next level of misdirection? Others in your obscene platoon seem to jump there when they are exposed as obfuscators.


46 posted on 01/06/2009 12:34:48 PM PST by papagall (Atta boys are great to collect, but one dagnabit wipes out dozens of them.)
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To: curiosity
Furthermore, Virginia did not have a 3rd class of citizen. They just had two: natural born and naturalized. If you were not a natural born citizen, i.e. you were not born in Virginia to a US citizen father, you were not a Virginian citizen at birth and had to be later naturalized. This was overturned when the 14th Amendment was passed.

So you clearly admit that Virginia law in early America understood Vattel's meaning of the term "natural born citizen" and accepted it as including both parentage and location of birth.

As to the courts, they recognize only two categories of citizen: natural born and naturalized. There is no third category.

That's not true. The Court's interpretation of the 14th Amendment created a third category -- think about it.

47 posted on 01/06/2009 1:16:42 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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