We Got It Right About the Rosenbergs

From Sea to Shining Sea ^ | 12/28/08 | Purple Mountains

[mysterio]

That is what McCarthy warned against, and those types of people were the ones he sought (and found).

But many people were labeled "communists" and ruined. People were encouraged to turn in suspected communists. That's too much collateral damage. And the end result is that the public got so angry about it that now it's almost chic to be a communist. So the witch hunt was a complete failure and ended up having the opposite of the desired effect.

[muawiyah]

No one was falsely labeled.

[April Lexington]

Don't be fooled by this clap trap. Try publicly stating that homosexuality is a sin or that Jesus is our savior and watch how "tolerant" these leftists become.

Oldest trick in the book. "We aren't bad. We just believe in communism..." Its all one way and it all leads to their empowerment and the destruction of Western Christian culture.

[Right Winged American]

On a political quiz, I'm the polar opposite of a communist authoritarian.

So, that would make you an archao-anarchist, right?

[mysterio]

No one was falsely labeled.

So every person who was named as a communist was actually a communist? Wow, that's some amazing government efficiency right there.

[mysterio]

No, I lean mostly libertarian. I believe in smaller, less intrusive government and in a strong Bill of Rights.

[CodeToad]

“And telemarketers. Let’s not forget telemarketers.”

Yes, kill them all by hanging them with telephone wire!

[fr_freak]

But many people were labeled "communists" and ruined. People were encouraged to turn in suspected communists. That's too much collateral damage. And the end result is that the public got so angry about it that now it's almost chic to be a communist. So the witch hunt was a complete failure and ended up having the opposite of the desired effect.

Once again, I think that was HUAC and not McCarthy. Also, I don't think that "the public" got so angry at the communist labels being thrown around, as much as Hollywood types, who were communists, got angry, and set about a propaganda campaign that continues even to this day that depicts the anti-communists as knuckle-dragging, old, white, racists while depicting the accused as innocent, freedom-loving citizens. Women and children hardest hit, you know. Hollywood made communism chic, just as they have made gangsterism, rampant promiscuity, and homosexuality chic.

The fact is that there was, has been and perhaps still is a concerted effort by communists, funded and organized initially by the Soviets, to undermine the American system from within and replace it with the Soviet-style communism. Back in the 50s and 60s, when the Soviets were still a world power and the Cold War was in full swing, such an undermining was life-threatening. Soviet spies, for instance, were responsible for stealing much of the US's nuclear technology. There is no greater direct threat than that.

[fr_freak]

No argument here.

[mysterio]

Once again, I think that was HUAC and not McCarthy.

I don't think it's intellectually honest to cast the two as completely independent entities. Seems more accurate that they enjoyed a symbiotic relationship.

The fact is that there was, has been and perhaps still is a concerted effort by communists, funded and organized initially by the Soviets, to undermine the American system from within and replace it with the Soviet-style communism.

Well, they picked the wrong tactic. Seems like our current government has done a much better job accomplishing that goal using an economic crisis as impetus.

[chesley]

Actually, IMO, what’s wrong with hanging? They keep trying to make capital punishment painless, and I suppose that that is alright. But is there a method that cannot go wrong, and cause a little pain if not perfectly performed?

My guess would be that there is only one, and I may be mistaken at that. The guillotine. Place ‘em in position, and gravity does the rest. A little messy perhaps, but it is a least a little bit hypocritical to try to prettify killing a human being, no matter how much she may deserve it.

A heavy duty shot to the brain would also do it. However, as a method of execution, I think a nice, well performed long drop would be best. Quick, and painless if the neck is broken, as it should be. Not too messy.

[chesley]

Let’s start with the plaintiff lawyers in civil cases.

[Lancey Howard]

a drunk who destroyed the lives of many innocent people.

Name one.

[Right Winged American]

Actually, I think Archao-anarchist IS a flavor of Libertarian, last time I looked. Like Randite, or Misesist, Burkeian, Jeffersonian, etc. and so forth.

For such a tiny group, Libertarians come in so many colors and flavors...

[mysterio]

For such a tiny group, Libertarians come in so many colors and flavors...

True.

[Freedom4US]

It all seems so.. “convenient”. And yet in public schools we were ridiculed as “beageois reactionaries” by the same educators who lamented the “red scare” times, and offered that all of those folks were pure as the driven snow, and Sen. McCarthy a bad man. Curiously absent then and now, were the immigrant former communists who would have no problem indentifying communists, in public - and the media.

Most reasonable people would agree that an ideologie with the expressed goal of destroying the host isn’t compatible, no matter what the freedoms enjoyed in an open society. That was the problem with communists.

[Buffalo Head]

"....McCarthy, a drunk who destroyed the lives of many innocent people."

Says you. Please provide details of a single innocent person that McCarthy "destroyed". And if you cannot, please so state and supply an explanation for why you post such malarkey on this forum. Thank you.

P.S. Hearing the same lie repeatedly from the leftists doesn't make it true - no matter how often it is repeated.

[fr_freak]

Well, they picked the wrong tactic. Seems like our current government has done a much better job accomplishing that goal using an economic crisis as impetus.

Eh? Why would you differentiate between the two? It is Hollywood that paved the way for the Marxists to install Obama as president, both by failing to report anything negative about Obama and portraying him as "hip" and "cool" while portraying more traditional American candidates (read: white guys) as doddering old racists. Hollywood storytelling propaganda makes viewers sympathetic to socialist ideals and hostile to American ideals, while evening news lies its collective ass off. Obama would not have gotten in without the commies in Hollywood. For that matter, Americans wouldn't have stood for Bush's socialist policies either, if they hadn't been so brainwashed by TV and movies. Hollywood paved the road; the socialists just drove up and parked the car.

[mysterio]

I've not had difficulty distinguishing propaganda from fact. If other people are too lazy to do the same, can we really save them from themselves? I mean, we could have a decade long purge or hundred flowers campaign to weed out communists. What do you think the end result would be?

I think the best bet is to sell a competing message effectively. Anything short of that isn't going to work.

[pieceofthepuzzle]

“I think the best bet is to sell a competing message effectively. Anything short of that isn't going to work.”

I agree with you. America has done a poor job in recent decades showcasing who we really are to the world. Part of this is media driven, both foreign and domestic, some of it is due to the type of cultural exports we send out to the rest of the world (e.g. Madonna, crude Hip-hop, disgusting movies etc.), and some of it has been the result of mistakes by our elected officials. We need to make it clear to the rest of the world that this is truly the land of freedom and opportunity. We have lots to be proud of, but our spokespeople tend to be anti-American apologists.