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To: Gemsbok
Why are you so quick and eager to forfeit the reins of the Presidency and the Republic at this point in time.

I'm not eager to see Barrack Obama in the White House. But, the American people have elected him to that position. That gives me heartburn, but it's reality. In my opinion, he will be a disastrous President, but there is no evidence to show that, Constitutionally, he is unqualified for the office.

40 posted on 12/19/2008 12:41:32 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: Citizen Blade
Barack Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, aka Barry Obama, was born a British citizen through his father. Even if one concedes he was born in HI or even in Kenya and concede his mother old enough to pass citizenship to him (which, according to the law in 1961 she was not), he was/is precisely what the founders were seeking to avoid with the Constitutional eligibility requirements. Barry Obama was born with divided loyalties as dual citizen of two nations. And there may be other historic documents showing he used citizenship of other countries to game systems for his benefit, but he has spent a huge amount of money hiding ALL of his adult life records and his long form actual birth certificate.

In 1795 the Congress passed the Naturalization Act of 1795 which removed the words "natural born" from the earlier statement in the 1790 NAturalization Act, to state that such children born to citizens beyond the seas are citizens of the U.S., but are not legally to be considered "natural born citizens" of the U.S. This was done to clarify for those living at that time who was and who was not a "natural born citizen" per the framers intent at that time, since the 1790 Act had introduced confusion into that subject in regards to the use of those words in the Constitution. George Washington was also President in 1795, and thus he was aware of this change. And if he disagreed with the clarification and change in the wording in the new act in 1795, he would have vetoed the Naturalization Act of 1795.

The term “natural born citizen” has NEVER been defined in the U.S. Constitution or in codified U.S. law.

The OPERATIVE phrase of the 14th Amendment expressly states:

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside ...”

It says “citizens” NOT “natural born citizens”.

In situations like this, SCOTUS has USUALLY devolved to ascertain what the “original intent” of the framers was ... What does the 14th Amendment mean and what is its intended scope, as introduced the United States Senate in 1866?

Sen. Jacob M. Howard (MI), who introduced it in the Senate, tells us (as it was being debated):

“The first amendment is to section one, declaring that all “persons born in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside. I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country ... I concur entirely with the honorable Senator from Illinois [Senator Trumbull], in holding that the word “jurisdiction,” as here employed, ought to be construed so as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States, whether exercised by Congress, by the executive, or by the judicial department; that is to say, the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now ...”

Sen. Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, author of the Thirteenth Amendment, inserted the phrase: “... All persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means ... Can you sue a Navajo Indian in court? Are they in any sense subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States? By no means. We make treaties with them, and therefore they are not subject to our jurisdiction. If they were, we wouldn’t make treaties with them...It is only those persons who come completely within our jurisdiction, who are subject to our laws, that we think of making citizens; and there can be no objection to the proposition that such persons should be citizens ...”

Senator W. Williams further stated:

” ... In one sense, all persons born within the geographical limits of the United States are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, but they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States in every sense. Take the child of an ambassador. In one sense, that child born in the United States is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, because if that child commits the crime of murder, or commits any other crime against the laws of the country, to a certain extent he is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, but not in every respect; and so with these Indians. All persons living within a judicial district may be said, in one sense, to be subject to the jurisdiction of the court in that district, but they are not in every sense subject to the jurisdiction of the court until they are brought, by proper process, within the reach of the power of the court. I understand the words here, ‘subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,’ to mean fully and completely subject to the jurisdiction of the United States ...”

Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms the understanding and construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:

” ... I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents[plural, parents] not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen...”

If and when a House and a Senate member object to the vote counting of electoral votes, the question of whether mister obama is a natural born citizen or not will be adjudicated relying upon the words from the early framers. The opinions of we few will be irrelevant to their deliberations. But we may draw informed opinions using those same words.

53 posted on 12/19/2008 1:15:23 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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