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To: IbJensen
The sad truth of the matter is that President-elect Barack Obama has REFUSED to provide proof that he is constitutionally qualified to hold the office!

What authoritative request or demand has he refused?

If he traveled to Pakistan with an American passport, he wouldn't have been allowed in – since Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and under martial law. It was also on the State Department's travel ban list for U.S. citizens

This is a lie, and anybody who repeats it without evidence has zero credibility.

5 posted on 12/13/2008 3:46:51 AM PST by Jim Noble (Keep hope alive)
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To: Jim Noble

You’re right. There is a constitutional issue here but it needs people with level heads and sensible FACT-BASED arguments to work it through., otherwise it won’t be taken seriously.

Obama hasn’t bypassed any procedure requiring him to prove his elegibility... that we know of.

The difference in this case is that the American people aren’t prepared to accept the assurances from Hawaiian officials that he already has done it. Even though such assurances are themselves unprecedented.

To take it further, there’d need to be a formal decision as to whom Obama should submit his birth certificate (the governors of each State which allowed him to appear on the ballot BEFORE seeing such evidence seems to me to be an obvious starting point).

Secondly, there’d have to be safeguards to ensure that the document is authenticated impartially, the outcome is both honest, and all parties accept its findings as final.

Thirdly: just the facts ma’am. No court should be examining any allegation tied to Obama’s legitimacy, if the accusers can’t produce any evidence to support the charge.

Also, as to whether or not there’s any real evidence to Obama NOT being a natural born citizen, it’s a good idea to go through existing case law and see how the evidence stacks up one way or the other.

For example, some commentators in Europe have cited the case of 169 U.S. 649 (UNITED STATES vs. WONG KIM ARK). Which discussed very similar issues to what we’re discussing now - and its findings were based on the fact that while the Constitution doesn’t set out the exact legal definition of “natural born”, English Common Law asserts that it’s about where you are born, not who your parents are. And the Constitution doesn’t overturn that definition.

This raises really interesting issues. If for arguments’ sake, Obama was born in Hawaii, and Hawaii was on American soil, NEITHER parent was American, he was given an American birth certificate and had immediately been taken to live in Africa, he would, in British Common Law and in case law, still be a natural born American.

If Obama was born on American soil and he can prove it, then there is, on the face of it, no case to answer as the Supreme Court ruled it so over 100 years ago (and with the best will in the world that ruling can’t have been part of Obama’s gameplan).

Unless, of course, a later Supreme Court ruling suggests different.


21 posted on 12/13/2008 4:37:33 AM PST by Don Stadt
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